DTC-80 new brake pads

[Datka]

"Hawk DTC-80
Dynamic Torque Control-80 DTC Series compounds provide extremely smooth braking performance while providing excellent torque control characteristics unmatched by any other brake pad.
These brake pads are designed for cars with high deceleration rates with or without down force.
Operating Temp: 500F - 1700F
Optimal operating Temp: 600F - 1500F"

Has anyone tried these on the track yet?
DTC-80 are relatively new brake pads and would like to hear some feedback before getting them.
I have tried most other pads designed for our cars and find DCT-70 front pads most effective for stopping power and smooth braking.
The only negative they don't last nearly as long as PFC-08 or other well known endurance track pads.

[bigjae1976]

I usually think of Hawk as a second rate version of PFC. These might be super awesome but I really like the brand for the price and performance.

[Datka]

Here is a feedback and comparison between the DTC-70 and DTC-80 by a vette driver.

" I will say I did not run a set of 70s at COTA, but I have ran them at enough tracks to get some good comparison.

First thoughts, initial bite is stronger and they help heat up the pirellis a little faster. By the end of 1 lap they are good to go with some accelerate/decel to put heat in the tires.

Once everything is warm and you can run full tilt the 80s are clearly stronger than the 70s. I could run on the backstretch at Cota to the 150 feet -170 feet marker every lap and have 0 worries with getting the car checked up. Overall I felt beyond confident in the braking system of the z06 brakes and the dtc 80s. I really liked the strong initial bite they provided combined with slicks this allowed for some solid and consistent braking patterns without being concerned about fading.

Pros;
strong initial Bite.
Must use with a r comp or better tire.
Consistent pedal feel
Really hard to fade the pads. (I intentionally tried)

Cons;
Really pricey compared to 70s for marginal gains
I'm not sure pad life will be longer than a 70. Possibly less/shorter life. "

Different car of course, but sounds interesting. Would be nice to hear a feedback from e9x m3 owner.

[Datka]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I usually think of Hawk as a second rate version of PFC. These might be super awesome but I really like the brand for the price and performance.

If you compare DTC-70 to PFC-08, there is no comparison in stopping power and initial bite, DTC is better, hands down.
I buy my pads from Best Brakes online and here is the difference in price between DTC-70=$226.94 and DTC-80=$303.29
The price difference is pretty significant and one would expect a much better performance from the new compound...

[dparm]

Originally Posted by Datka

Has anyone tried these on the track yet?
DTC-80 are relatively new brake pads and would like to hear some feedback before getting them.
I have tried most other pads designed for our cars and find DCT-70 front pads most effective for stopping power and smooth braking.
The only negative they don't last nearly as long as PFC-08 or other well known endurance track pads.

The 80s are a pretty extreme pad. Have you used any temperature paint/stickers to determine if you can even get those things hot enough? What tires are you running?

I would give Dave Zeckhausen @ Zeckhausen Racing a call and ask for his guidance. He also sells those pads plus other brands like PFC and Pagid.

[admranger]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I usually think of Hawk as a second rate version of PFC. These might be super awesome but I really like the brand for the price and performance.

PFC pimp.

[M3 Number 86]

I have two sets of unobtanium pfc01 better than all mentioned in here. Lol

I tried the 70s and I didn't like them. Not as much modulation as with other compounds that have similar bite.

[admranger]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

I have two sets of unobtanium pfc01 better than all mentioned in here. Lol

I tried the 70s and I didn't like them. Not as much modulation as with other compounds that have similar bite.

01's are great race pads. Not worth wasting them on an HPDE though...unless it's the world championships of course.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by admranger

01's are great race pads. Not worth wasting them on an HPDE though...unless it's the world championships of course.

It's always world championships!

Funny you say that. Over the weekend for bimmerfest acs event a bright orange m4 tried to race me at the red light on cherry Ave. then that same fool tried to race everyone on track.

Frat download meeting after the advanced session. Raise your hand if you had a issue with orange m4. The whole group did. Based on his ig post he was demoted two run groups. I have video of that session and am contemplating whether or not my effort is worth a troll video or not.

He must've been on some pfc01.

[elim11]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

It's always world championships!

Funny you say that. Over the weekend for bimmerfest acs event a bright orange m4 tried to race me at the red light on cherry Ave. then that same fool tried to race everyone on track.

Frat download meeting after the advanced session. Raise your hand if you had a issue with orange m4. The whole group did. Based on his ig post he was demoted two run groups. I have video of that session and am contemplating whether or not my effort is worth a troll video or not.

He must've been on some pfc01.

Post it!!

[admranger]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

It's always world championships!

Funny you say that. Over the weekend for bimmerfest acs event a bright orange m4 tried to race me at the red light on cherry Ave. then that same fool tried to race everyone on track.

Frat download meeting after the advanced session. Raise your hand if you had a issue with orange m4. The whole group did. Based on his ig post he was demoted two run groups. I have video of that session and am contemplating whether or not my effort is worth a troll video or not.

He must've been on some pfc01.

His crew had the shock settings all wrong and his tires were shot.

[dparm]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

I tried the 70s and I didn't like them. Not as much modulation as with other compounds that have similar bite.

Odd you say that, as I've found the 60s to have very good modulation on my car, even towards the end of a 30 minute session when they're nice and toasty. I've never used PFCs, however.

[CorruptCommie]

I tried PFC 11's. Couldn't go back to DTC-60's quick enough. Only 08 and 11 available for the E46, 08's last forever but I'm here to win the sprint HPDE.

[dparm]

Originally Posted by CorruptCommie

I tried PFC 11's. Couldn't go back to DTC-60's quick enough. Only 08 and 11 available for the E46, 08's last forever but I'm here to win the sprint HPDE.

IIRC the 11 is the OEM pad for the Porsche GT cars right now.

[CorruptCommie]

Originally Posted by dparm

IIRC the 11 is the OEM pad for the Porsche GT cars right now.

Maybe I was running them too cold? I had to push my brake zone earlier, they build torque late in the brake zone, which is not what I'm used to. I was running them on stock E46 calipers with 2 piece rotors and cooling ducts. Pedal all the way to the floor. Caliper temps were 380F-400F

[dparm]

Originally Posted by CorruptCommie

Maybe I was running them too cold? I had to push my brake zone earlier, they build torque late in the brake zone, which is not what I'm used to. I was running them on stock E46 calipers with 2 piece rotors and cooling ducts. Pedal all the way to the floor. Caliper temps were 380F-400F

Yes, possibly not enough heat in them, or just has a torque curve that doesn't match your driving style. Ideally it should be as flat as possible (hence the Hawk DTC name).

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

I have two sets of unobtanium pfc01 better than all mentioned in here. Lol

I have one set of PF01s left with 6mm on them. Hoping they'll go up in value like bitcoin.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I have one set of PF01s left with 6mm on them. Hoping they'll go up in value like bitcoin.

Lolol

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by elim11

Post it!!

Will post. We are consolidating everyone's footage and making a nice jalopnik worthy video.

Just found out he's a member on here!

[dparm]

Now that this thread has been completely derailed...

[RaleighM3]

I'll try to get this post back on track. (pun intended)

I have the 6 piston/4 piston brembos and used the hawk dtc 60s for 2 years. They were a big step up from the stock pads that the calipers came with and I was quite happy with them. I called Zeckhausen to get his advice because I wanted a pad with more initial bite. With the dtc 60 I would get maximal braking response a split second after applying heavy brake pressure and I wanted a different pad that would provide a faster response. Zeckhausen recommended the dtc 80s and I love them. Initial grab is significant and I found that abs was kicking in more easily. Once I got used to this and found I didn't need to apply as much braking pressure, I also realized the pads have great modulation. I can definitely go deeper into the braking zones. BTW I've got Bridgestone RE71s and my braking is now limited by tires, not brakes.

Give the 80s a try, I think you'll like them.

[Datka]

Originally Posted by RaleighM3

I'll try to get this post back on track. (pun intended)

I have the 6 piston/4 piston brembos and used the hawk dtc 60s for 2 years. They were a big step up from the stock pads that the calipers came with and I was quite happy with them. I called Zeckhausen to get his advice because I wanted a pad with more initial bite. With the dtc 60 I would get maximal braking response a split second after applying heavy brake pressure and I wanted a different pad that would provide a faster response. Zeckhausen recommended the dtc 80s and I love them. Initial grab is significant and I found that abs was kicking in more easily. Once I got used to this and found I didn't need to apply as much braking pressure, I also realized the pads have great modulation. I can definitely go deeper into the braking zones. BTW I've got Bridgestone RE71s and my braking is now limited by tires, not brakes.

Give the 80s a try, I think you'll like them.

Thank you for your feedback This is the first meaningful post in the whole thread.
Have you tried DTC-70? What about pad life vs DTC-60?