Why so many JB4's for sale?

[metomwhou]

As the title says, there seem to be a lot of JB4's for sale in the classified section. Just curious as to why.

[drgmt]

Originally Posted by metomwhou

As the title says, there seem to be a lot of JB4's for sale in the classified section. Just curious as to why.

Remaps are superior and now with obd access reasonably simple from a technical standpoint.

In addition there is no difference in detectability by BMW.

So the real question is - why aren't more for sale?

[135Hoser]

Originally Posted by Modaddict79

Remaps are superior and now with obd access reasonably simple from a technical standpoint.

In addition there is no difference in detectability by BMW.

So the real question is - why aren't more for sale?

Because people are dumb and would rather pay more for a OBD2 flash from another vendor then get their $295 MHD unlock and then get the free BEF from Terry @ BMS to have the best of both worlds.

[F80Moe]

Originally Posted by 135Hoser

Because people are dumb and would rather pay more for a OBD2 flash from another vendor then get their $295 MHD unlock and then get the free BEF from Terry @ BMS to have the best of both worlds.

Sorry

Flash tunes are not identical for you to assume that people not chooshng MHD are dumb

[drgmt]

Originally Posted by 135Hoser

Because people are dumb and would rather pay more for a OBD2 flash from another vendor then get their $295 MHD unlock and then get the free BEF from Terry @ BMS to have the best of both worlds.

You get what you pay for.

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by Modaddict79

You get what you pay for.

Yep junk junk junk compared to flash tunes. Amazing this dude would say all the folks turning in jb4s are dumb . That is just an ignorant fanboy statement.

[dpgfunk]

The answer is simple: people are jumping ship to flash tunes

[BoxKing]

Someone once said "JB4's are great bc you can re sell them...". Although that's true, it appears that you can't even give them away these days. Flash tunes are presently dominating the market and have rendered products like the JB4/Active8 obsolete.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by metomwhou

As the title says, there seem to be a lot of JB4's for sale in the classified section. Just curious as to why.

A lot of it is cars coming off lease and mods being removed before they are turned in, I expect. There is also a growing group of flash only cars now that OBDII flashing is out and the cars are coming out of warranty.

As to the JB4 specifically the latest free JB4 SS BEF maps are pretty good though and definitely provide power, features, and functions not possible flash only. And for not much addl cost also. I expect many of those reselling their JB4s now will be buying another one in the future. It's a great tuning tool.

Mike

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Hypocrite much?

How?

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by Railgun

You claim "junk junk junk" in the same breath as suggesting saying otherwise is ignorant. Not only is that subjective, it's hardly accurate , and, well, hypocritical.

Nothing subjective about this:

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=779

Very common I might add

And what’s hypocritical I ask about my statement , makes no sense what you are saying! I’m stating documented situations with jb4 tunes without and witn flashes being problematic. Only appears to work when you use with flash and set to map zero has been reported as well when stacked with flash. On the N55 the jb4 tune sucks! S55 cars are not the only cars using jb4s

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Common? Really? One linked post is at best anecdotal. The BT adapter almost fried the DME?! That's laughable. What evidence suggest the BT adapter had anything to do with it? Been running mine for nearly two years flawlessly.

If you don't get what's hypocritical about it, I can't help you.

Sound butt hurt,dont take it personal! Dude he's not the only one alot of folks complaining about herky jerky acceleration the list goes on. Works great on N54

FACT!! EVERYONE is getting rid of it! FACT!Flash tunes are better than piggy backs PERIOD! Why tuners are now pushing them hard and they are selling.

Now take a chill pill! Its good for logging though.

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by Railgun

I'm not. Guess that debunks your theory.

Yours will be on sale too. No ones buying them any where near how they were selling before and they're being sold by prior owners. So be happy!!

[applesauce683]

Why was this thread even created? And why hasn't it been locked?

[FriedPiston]

Originally Posted by Railgun

You're pretty misinformed. But keep on keeping on.

Don't sweat it, no need to feed the troll.

The marketplace for JB4 is a bit different here as opposed to other platforms. For F3x guys, the value of JB4 is holding up very well, and it hasn't changed much for the E9x N54/N55 guys over the years.

Every now and then you'll run into clueless people that will throw blanket statements like flash > piggyback without explaining why. It's mainly because they don't quite comprehend that it's not the method of delivery that matters, but rather the tune itself. The same clueless group will often use words such as, junk, to describe XYZ product that they've never had any first hand experience with. This is all part of their pretentious act of knowing something beyond their limited knowledge of the subject matter.

In the end, it's nothing worth arguing over. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and people can go with whichever tune makes them happy. There are plenty of people running OEM level tunes and that is perfectly okay, as well.

[FriedPiston]

Originally Posted by applesauce683

Why was this thread even created? And why hasn't it been locked?

This.

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by nars3000

Don't sweat it, no need to feed the troll.

The marketplace for JB4 is a bit different here as opposed to other platforms. For F3x guys, the value of JB4 is holding up very well, and it hasn't changed much for the E9x N54/N55 guys over the years.

Every now and then you'll run into clueless people that will throw blanket statements like flash > piggyback without explaining why. It's mainly because they don't quite comprehend that it's not the method of delivery that matters, but rather the tune itself. The same clueless group will often use words such as, junk, to describe XYZ product that they've never had any first hand experience with. This is all part of their pretentious act of knowing something beyond their limited knowledge of the subject matter.

In the end, it's nothing worth arguing over. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and people can go with whichever tune makes them happy. There are plenty of people running OEM level tunes and that is perfectly okay, as well.

Thank you very much Genius if you say so! You did good! Now moving right along!

[Bahn360Photo]

What I like about jb, especially stage 1 is that it gives a bit of extra power without making me change bunch of parts and do all kinds of coding

Spending more time in the city then closed Mexican roads I have no need to 600 whp. So for someone like me it's perfect, easy install and no headache.

For people who want to go all out, there are better ways.
Think of business perspective, there are much more people like me then all out tunners. So bms is much more successful then flash tunners.

I go with their products because of reliability and support and of course price and resale value

Just my 2c

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by nars3000

Don't sweat it, no need to feed the troll.

The marketplace for JB4 is a bit different here as opposed to other platforms. For F3x guys, the value of JB4 is holding up very well, and it hasn't changed much for the E9x N54/N55 guys over the years.

Every now and then you'll run into clueless people that will throw blanket statements like flash > piggyback without explaining why. It's mainly because they don't quite comprehend that it's not the method of delivery that matters, but rather the tune itself. The same clueless group will often use words such as, junk, to describe XYZ product that they've never had any first hand experience with. This is all part of their pretentious act of knowing something beyond their limited knowledge of the subject matter.

In the end, it's nothing worth arguing over. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and people can go with whichever tune makes them happy. There are plenty of people running OEM level tunes and that is perfectly okay, as well.

Read your own thread you would think you learned something however enjoy being in denial!!! Who is the troll. Troll on TROLL!!


http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1448103


Piggy backs are and will be a thing of the PAST!! Have not used a piggy back since the early 90s it was called APEXi and before that HKS VPC you probably were not even born!

[gatorfast]

Man some people are just angry