Is it me or am I right?

[///SAL]

M = high peformace, i always think that way for some reason looking at this m4/m3 doesnt feel right for the money. for the same hp ill get a 550 or x5 50i and have more room, yes i know handling is different but come on guys what ever happen to the m logo " m is the most powerful letter in the world" if i think about a ///M i think about 500++ hp. Whatta u think m3/m4 has enough hp to earn the ///M badge or it should be 500hp? I know everyone is gonna tackle me on this one, but i wanna hear your side.

[Brosef]

M = motorsport, not power. I think most are happy to see power being traded for weight savings (even though some wanted more weight cut), as it helps handling, braking, acceleration and even fuel efficiency. Also, the M3 doesn't have to be the fastest in its class - it just has to achieve the perfect balance of performance (and balanced performance that's forgiving and controllable at the limit) with everyday practicality. anyone who wants a faster car for less can go pick up a Vette or Z28 Camaro.

[3XTR3M3]

I fully agree. An X5 is definitely the way to go if you want an M4. Also, true that people in the market for an M4 are really concerned about room rather than weight. And yea, what happened to all the 500hp M3s BMW used to make??

SMH

[Sapper_M3]

Originally Posted by 1FASTX5

M = high peformace, i always think that way for some reason looking at this m4/m3 doesnt feel right for the money. for the same hp ill get a 550 or x5 50i and have more room, yes i know handling is different but come on guys what ever happen to the m logo " m is the most powerful letter in the world" if i think about a ///M i think about 500++ hp. Whatta u think m3/m4 has enough hp to earn the ///M badge or it should be 500hp? I know everyone is gonna tackle me on this one, but i wanna hear your side.

"M" has never been about the most horsepower.

If you want the most horsepower for your buck, buy a 2013 Mustang GT500. 662 horsepower for the price of an E92 M3.

[nonagon]

Originally Posted by 3XTR3M3

I fully agree. An X5 is definitely the way to go if you want an M4. Also, true that people in the market for an M4 are really concerned about room rather than weight. And yea, what happened to all the 500hp M3s BMW used to make??

SMH

Nice

[fbm3cab]

Is it me or am I right?

It is you! I don't think your right. Your comparing apples to oranges.

Maybe one day in the future you will (once again?) prefer driving a performance car and not a SUV.

Hell, I know I've gone back and forth over the years between the two.

Best to have both, a big ass SUV and fun car.

[cambit]

M = Marketing

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by 3XTR3M3

I fully agree. An X5 is definitely the way to go if you want an M4. Also, true that people in the market for an M4 are really concerned about room rather than weight. And yea, what happened to all the 500hp M3s BMW used to make??

SMH

I was gonna say something along those lines but this covers it.

[Sedan_Clan]

An ///M car isn't for you OP!

[turbolag]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

An ///M car isn't for you OP!

OP drives a stage four x5 50i.

I'll assume 550 hp or so, idk.

You can have all the overpowered soccermom-mobile you want, but I'll take a lightweight car that's enjoyable. If the F80 isn't, I'll go to Lotus or turbo BRZ.

[gee-m-w]

Originally Posted by cambit

M = Marketing

lulz

[3XTR3M3]

Originally Posted by cambit

M = Marketing

Because BMW M does not produce any performance cars and it's all hype. Because M products are all hype and marketing and do not live up to REAL performance cars like the 911, Corvette, C63, or RS5. Because M cars don't give their competitors a run for their money, never beating them in a lot of categories. Because BMW is not even in Motorsports or even winning races or coming back from a DTM series hiatus and sweeping Team, Driver, and Manufacturer Championships their first year back. Because it's all made up and the people that actually enjoy these cars, buy these cars, test these cars, race, tune, and follow these cars are all being deceived and... and... and its just "Marketing".

Seriously, who are you people?

[pkimM3r]

///M performance = marketing

///M = motorsports/marketing



They should really lable them different sort of like SLine. It should be called MPerf or some shit that distinguishes one fron the other.

[Ezio]

i really dont think M is going in the wrong direction. they make really cool looking cars that offer great luxury and sports. overall great cars.

the problem is the competition is getting way better. also america is stepping up there game if you want a performance car.

with that said, i still don't like the new M cars. I just dont like the engines as much.

[///SAL]

Originally Posted by turbolag

OP drives a stage four x5 50i.

I'll assume 550 hp or so, idk.

You can have all the overpowered soccermom-mobile you want, but I'll take a lightweight car that's enjoyable. If the F80 isn't, I'll go to Lotus or turbo BRZ.

Cant go wrong in a soccer mom car, you know how many soccer balls fit in that car

[turbolag]

Originally Posted by 1FASTX5

Cant go wrong in a soccer mom car, you know how many soccer balls fit in that car

Yeah we all know each soccer ball adds 50 hp.

And we all know the X1 35i can do 6mins around the ring, does that mean your X5 can do 5:45 around the ring?

[///SAL]

Originally Posted by turbolag

Yeah we all know each soccer ball adds 50 hp.

And we all know the X1 35i can do 6mins around the ring, does that mean your X5 can do 5:45 around the ring?

Depends how many soccer balls are in the x5

[turbolag]

Originally Posted by 1FASTX5

Depends how many soccer balls are in the x5

Filled to the brim, with seats folded down, and cocaine storage area filled with deplated soccer balls.

And don't forget the roof box.

[///SAL]

Originally Posted by turbolag

Filled to the brim, with seats folded down, and cocaine storage area filled with deplated soccer balls.

And don't forget the roof box.

[ACE_M3]

Originally Posted by 3XTR3M3

Because BMW M does not produce any performance cars and it's all hype. Because M products are all hype and marketing and do not live up to REAL performance cars like the 911, Corvette, C63, or RS5. Because M cars don't give their competitors a run for their money, never beating them in a lot of categories. Because BMW is not even in Motorsports or even winning races or coming back from a DTM series hiatus and sweeping Team, Driver, and Manufacturer Championships their first year back. Because it's all made up and the people that actually enjoy these cars, buy these cars, test these cars, race, tune, and follow these cars are all being deceived and... and... and its just "Marketing".

Seriously, who are you people?

I am one. Because this is the list of cars with M in their name

Marketing:
X5M
X6M
X4M
M6 GC
M235i
M135i

Marketing & Motorsport (latest generation is too heavy to be pure Motorsport IMHO)
M6
M5

Motorsport
M3
M4
1M

Have you seen how many badges there are on M Sport vehicles nowadays. Most of the M badges I see are for Marketing rather than Motorsport.

[3XTR3M3]

Originally Posted by ACE_M3

I am one. Because this is the list of cars with M in their name

Marketing:
X5M
X6M
X4M
M6 GC
M235i
M135i

Marketing & Motorsport (latest generation is too heavy to be pure Motorsport IMHO)
M6
M5

Motorsport
M3
M4
1M

Have you seen how many badges there are on M Sport vehicles nowadays. Most of the M badges I see are for Marketing rather than Motorsport.

Which one of those cars that you listed does not go neck to neck, beat, or come close to its competitors??? Go ahead, tell me AMG cars or any other competitor in the same category or price range beats these M cars soooo bad that M is just "marketing".

Which one of the cars that you named is being so badly beat in its category that you think does not deserve to be in the M division, which is known for taking street made BMWs and bringing them to a higher level of performance.

On the flip side, what makes you guys think you are the one who decided a what can and can not come from the M division? As if someone pinky swore to you that only sedans and coupes can carry an M badge or come from the M division to compete with the best of their rivals.

Would you like BMW to come up with a separate segment which does not mention the M brand but is entirely new with no history and use none of the leverage and legacy that the brand has developed over the years so YOU can feel special with the little M? Why would you want this to happen?

For a company which is more true to its roots and delivers so well on so many levels, often better than its rivals, you guys sure know how to shit on a brand because your racecar M3 shares the same badge as the balls to the wall X6M.

[gblansten]

LOL I think I am getting an X5 50i next. No joke.