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      04-07-2013, 09:37 AM   #1
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Eisenmann Center Pipes

Sorry for the newbie question here but I am thinking of getting the Eisenmann Race Exhaust with the oval tips. I notice it does not come with the center section by default and that is another 2500 or so. My question is what does that get you over the stock center pipes? Is the sound (why I really want to do this not really adding HP) changed by not having the center section as well? Also for about 500 bucks less than the Eisenmann without the center section I can get a full RPi GTS that also sounds pretty nice.

So I guess my question is if I am going for the best agressive sound what do I need?

thanks for helping me get my head around it
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No need for the center pipes. The rear cans alone are much louder and more intoxicating than anything else out there IMHO. The center pipes delete the stock resonator, so you will get more sound (and possibly more drone - I don't have them, so can't say for sure).

I loooooove the car with the E Race rear cans only. You can always add the center pipes down the road if you still want more noise (unlikely).

I've heard the RPI full exhaust and unless you are daring enough to go with their no muffler GTM option, the Eisenmann is a much better sound - again in my opinion

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E race for the win. Mid pipe optional... Not much increase as stock pipes are plenty wide.
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E race for the win. Mid pipe optional... Not much increase as stock pipes are plenty wide.
Biggest difference is not having to cut your stock pipes... Sound changes slightly,slightly lighter.... If price is your thing they are not necessary.

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I think I've read that the oval tips require a new diffuser...just so you are aware. Haven't seen those in person, so post some pics when done!
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I think I've read that the oval tips require a new diffuser...just so you are aware. Haven't seen those in person, so post some pics when done!
Yes this is correct. They either require a new diffuser, or for the installer to trim the existing diffuser. Generally I would advise the latter, because if you want to return the car to stock you can always buy a new diffuser. However it doesn't make sense to store your old diffuser.
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Thanks for the info, funny enough I had messaged Nate at IND with the same question and had not heard back. I actually am thinking might do the bigger circle tips now anyway but I am on the fence. I do like the oval look though but the large circles might look more aggressive.
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I think I've read that the oval tips require a new diffuser...just so you are aware. Haven't seen those in person, so post some pics when done!
Rob is correct and we offer a rear diffuser in gloss black or body color for the F10 M5 Eisenmann Oval system.

http://ind-distribution.com/wheels/B...2104%5E314.php

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Thanks for the info, funny enough I had messaged Nate at IND with the same question and had not heard back. I actually am thinking might do the bigger circle tips now anyway but I am on the fence. I do like the oval look though but the large circles might look more aggressive.
Just sent you a reply.
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The best looking solution would be 102mm tips with an angle cut, like the oval tips have. That's not a standard offering, but ask Eisenmann if they will do it for you.

There are two manufactures that I know of who make 100mm angle cut tips and they look perfect. I wish I had taken the time to ask Eisenmann to do this for me.
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I have the e-race with the non-resonated center pipes. I did not have the opportunity to hear any setups in person prior to purchase. I listened to and watched countless hours of videos online, but no video can truly give you the actual feel.

If I were to do all over again (and definitely will , I would either go with the e-race rear section only, or maybe the e-sport with non-resonated center pipes. The current setup that I have is Very aggressive, but the DRONE is nearly unbearable from 1500-2000 rpms.

I have found myself driving our Panamera GTS more often these days just because of the drone-- it has a wonderfully intoxicating exhaust note....
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The best looking solution would be 102mm tips with an angle cut, like the oval tips have. That's not a standard offering, but ask Eisenmann if they will do it for you.

There are two manufactures that I know of who make 100mm angle cut tips and they look perfect. I wish I had taken the time to ask Eisenmann to do this for me.
I agree that is one of the main reasons I like the ovals is that angle cut to them. I think I will ask about it. thanks for making me realize why I liked them!
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Cool. Let us know what they say
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The best looking solution would be 102mm tips with an angle cut, like the oval tips have. That's not a standard offering, but ask Eisenmann if they will do it for you.

There are two manufactures that I know of who make 100mm angle cut tips and they look perfect. I wish I had taken the time to ask Eisenmann to do this for me.
Agree. I also wish I had the 100mm angle cut. I ended up with the 90mm because I felt the 103mm straight cut sticks out too much. Angle cut solves the problem.
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Agree. I also wish I had the 100mm angle cut. I ended up with the 90mm because I felt the 103mm straight cut sticks out too much. Angle cut solves the problem.
I also did 90mm...I'm pleased with the look. The 100mm angle cut on the Supersprint were freakin gorgeous though.

Stealth, do you notice discoloration on the eisenmann chrome tips? Mine turned a brownish bronz almost immediately. Most of it comes off with mothers chrome polish, but there is still an off color tint. This is my only single complaint for the E Race. Otherwise it's perfect!
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I also did 90mm...I'm pleased with the look. The 100mm angle cut on the Supersprint were freakin gorgeous though.

Stealth, do you notice discoloration on the eisenmann chrome tips? Mine turned a brownish bronz almost immediately. Most of it comes off with mothers chrome polish, but there is still an off color tint. This is my only single complaint for the E Race. Otherwise it's perfect!
I haven't had the issue. I do get a lot of soot. However I clean the tips every week with the Mother's chrome polish so I haven't really had enough buildup to cause discoloration.

I would think Chrome discoloration is warrantable replacement. Ask IND.

Did you sell the Supersprint?
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I have the e-race with the non-resonated center pipes. I did not have the opportunity to hear any setups in person prior to purchase. I listened to and watched countless hours of videos online, but no video can truly give you the actual feel.

If I were to do all over again (and definitely will , I would either go with the e-race rear section only, or maybe the e-sport with non-resonated center pipes. The current setup that I have is Very aggressive, but the DRONE is nearly unbearable from 1500-2000 rpms.

I have found myself driving our Panamera GTS more often these days just because of the drone-- it has a wonderfully intoxicating exhaust note....
Why don't you put the stock center pipes back?
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I haven't had the issue. I do get a lot of soot. However I clean the tips every week with the Mother's chrome polish so I haven't really had enough buildup to cause discoloration.

I would think Chrome discoloration is warrantable replacement. Ask IND.

Did you sell the Supersprint?
The discoloration happened on day 1 with minor soot. I will ask IND, since it sounds like you don't have the issue. It isn't blatant, but a discerning eye can see the discoloration.

Yes, sold the Supersprint.
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I have the e-race with the non-resonated center pipes. I did not have the opportunity to hear any setups in person prior to purchase. I listened to and watched countless hours of videos online, but no video can truly give you the actual feel.

If I were to do all over again (and definitely will , I would either go with the e-race rear section only, or maybe the e-sport with non-resonated center pipes. The current setup that I have is Very aggressive, but the DRONE is nearly unbearable from 1500-2000 rpms.

I have found myself driving our Panamera GTS more often these days just because of the drone-- it has a wonderfully intoxicating exhaust note....
Hi, sorry for asking so late in the thread.....but did you try the Eisenmann Sport with the mid-pipe (non resonated) I am aslo looking at this set up....or the catless/catted DP with Eisenmann Sport but I am afraid of the smell of the catless....

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sorry to jump in but do the centre non res pipes fit onto the stock muffler?
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