E90Post
 


Coby Wheel
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BMW E90/E92/E93 3-series General Forums > General E90 Sedan / E91 Wagon / E92 Coupe / E93 Cabrio > Smelling coolant but no leak?



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      10-21-2012, 08:01 PM   #1
cmyk
resident girl.
cmyk's Avatar
United_States
59
Rep
1,017
Posts

Drives: 2008 335i + 2014 X5
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: DFW, Texas

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [8.76]
Smelling coolant but no leak?

A couple weeks ago I smelled coolant inside the car. A day or 2 later I got a low coolant light, so I topped it off with distilled water and made an appointment with the dealership to have it checked out. Dealership checked all hoses, checked water pump, etc, did a pressure test and came back with the dreaded "Could Not Replicate Problem." This is actually the second time I've brought it to the dealership to have the cooling system checked out -- the first time was about 7 or 8 months ago for the exact same issue (again "Could Not Replicate Problem / No Issues Found."). Whatever the "problem" was that time, it completely disappeared after that dealer visit, only to return this month out of the blue.

I'm not seeing any codes and I'm not overheating, but my coolant is going somewhere, especially if I can smell it inside the cabin (not strong and does not happen regularly, but I definitely know coolant when I smell it).

I'd really like to get this sorted out. After having the dealership look at it twice and not find a single issue I'm starting to wonder if I'm going crazy. I may take it to an indy for a second opinion, or start checking things myself. Any advice?
__________________


2008 E90 335i // Black Everything // photos
COBB tuned / QTP e-cutouts / Helix FMIC / cp-e DCI / AWE BOVs / Catless / FBO + F15 X5 xDrive35i
Appreciate 0
      10-21-2012, 08:04 PM   #2
3s4u2
Beamer Mantic
3s4u2's Avatar
United_States
82
Rep
1,191
Posts

Drives: 2006 325i Prem
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

Was your heater on when smelled coolant inside the car?
__________________
2006 325i
2006 M5
2008 X5 4.8i
2014 X5 50i M-Pkg
Appreciate 0
      10-21-2012, 08:06 PM   #3
cmyk
resident girl.
cmyk's Avatar
United_States
59
Rep
1,017
Posts

Drives: 2008 335i + 2014 X5
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: DFW, Texas

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [8.76]
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3s4u2
Was your heater on when smelled coolant inside the car?
No, it wasn't. We are still using our AC here in Texas lol

Although your question did make me realize that the issue has only occurred when the weather is cooler. The day I smelled coolant a couple weeks ago it was in the 60s. As soon as it warmed up the symptoms disappeared.
__________________


2008 E90 335i // Black Everything // photos
COBB tuned / QTP e-cutouts / Helix FMIC / cp-e DCI / AWE BOVs / Catless / FBO + F15 X5 xDrive35i
Appreciate 0
      10-21-2012, 08:18 PM   #4
TheJoy
New Member
0
Rep
7
Posts

Drives: POS
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Montgomery

iTrader: (0)

I've been having the exact same problem with my Jeep for about two months now. I smell coolant through the ventilation. I'm not low on coolant, and there's not a leak anywhere to be found. I think it has to be a minuscule leak in heater core.
Appreciate 0
      10-21-2012, 08:22 PM   #5
cmyk
resident girl.
cmyk's Avatar
United_States
59
Rep
1,017
Posts

Drives: 2008 335i + 2014 X5
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: DFW, Texas

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [8.76]
I thought heater core, too (have dealt with that in previous cars). I've checked for all the other symptoms (heater not blowing as hot as it should, wet spots on the carpet, etc) and have found nothing. My SA said they did a pretty thorough check and that the system held pressure perfectly. Really odd.
__________________


2008 E90 335i // Black Everything // photos
COBB tuned / QTP e-cutouts / Helix FMIC / cp-e DCI / AWE BOVs / Catless / FBO + F15 X5 xDrive35i
Appreciate 0
      10-21-2012, 08:36 PM   #6
Dark_Knight_335
Came to the N55 Darkside
Dark_Knight_335's Avatar
United_States
1112
Rep
12,740
Posts

Drives: 2011 335 E93 M-Sport
Join Date: May 2010
Location: NY/NJ

iTrader: (28)

Yeah I get that too sometimes- not sure. Maybe it's when I drive hard.
Do you have an N55 or N54?

I have a Dinan stage III with an upgraded intercooler and oil cooler- not sure if that has anything to do with it.
Appreciate 0
      10-21-2012, 08:44 PM   #7
cmyk
resident girl.
cmyk's Avatar
United_States
59
Rep
1,017
Posts

Drives: 2008 335i + 2014 X5
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: DFW, Texas

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [8.76]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark_Knight_335
Yeah I get that too sometimes- not sure. Maybe it's when I drive hard.
Do you have an N55 or N54?

I have a Dinan stage III with an upgraded intercooler and oil cooler- not sure if that has anything to do with it.
N54. I have a bunch of mods, too, but nothing that should affect the cooling system. I've noticed the issue with and without mods (first time it happened was a couple months after I bought the car when all I had was DCI and Cobb).
__________________


2008 E90 335i // Black Everything // photos
COBB tuned / QTP e-cutouts / Helix FMIC / cp-e DCI / AWE BOVs / Catless / FBO + F15 X5 xDrive35i
Appreciate 0
      10-24-2012, 08:37 PM   #8
Joe-
Lieutenant
17
Rep
522
Posts

Drives: 07 E92 335i
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Greenwich CT

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by cmyk View Post
N54. I have a bunch of mods, too, but nothing that should affect the cooling system. I've noticed the issue with and without mods (first time it happened was a couple months after I bought the car when all I had was DCI and Cobb).

Coolant Reserve tank!, It's actually a pretty easy fix, They are made of plastic and with lots of heat and cold tend to hairline crack and cause a slow leak, ironic when the coolant heats up and runs through this thing, It will create a slight seal, but when the coolant cools (Un-expands) it leaks.

Do you know if they did the pressure test while after the engine was hot or while the engine was cold?

I had this issue on my e46, dealership couldn't figure it out, I just kept adding coolant, eventually, the hairline crack turned into a massive crack and I came out in the morning to a car with 0 coolant.

No leak during load but leak when cold.

GL. I suggest they remove the coolant reserve and fully inspect for cracks.
Appreciate 0
      10-24-2012, 08:38 PM   #9
Joe-
Lieutenant
17
Rep
522
Posts

Drives: 07 E92 335i
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Greenwich CT

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark_Knight_335 View Post
Yeah I get that too sometimes- not sure. Maybe it's when I drive hard.
Do you have an N55 or N54?

I have a Dinan stage III with an upgraded intercooler and oil cooler- not sure if that has anything to do with it.

On a 2011 you shouldn't be having this problem.
Appreciate 0
      10-24-2012, 08:46 PM   #10
Dark_Knight_335
Came to the N55 Darkside
Dark_Knight_335's Avatar
United_States
1112
Rep
12,740
Posts

Drives: 2011 335 E93 M-Sport
Join Date: May 2010
Location: NY/NJ

iTrader: (28)

Thank you Joe.
Appreciate 0
      10-24-2012, 08:51 PM   #11
Joe-
Lieutenant
17
Rep
522
Posts

Drives: 07 E92 335i
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Greenwich CT

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark_Knight_335 View Post
Thank you Joe.
NP with you though I would recommend them checking the same thing, though it's unlikely since the age of the car, but you never know.
Appreciate 0
      10-24-2012, 08:54 PM   #12
MrQuickR1
Second Lieutenant
MrQuickR1's Avatar
41
Rep
284
Posts

Drives: 2011 328i
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

Look around all over on the inside of the engine bay, coolant hoses, water pump area, thermostat, etc... If there is any coolant spilling out or leaking, you will see a white powder like residue. That is coolant after it has dried or exposed to air or whatever. If you unscrew your resvoir cap, you should see some on the underside of the cap. Be sure the bleeder screw on the resevoir tank is also closed snug tight...do not force tighten it as it can break.
Appreciate 0
      10-24-2012, 10:14 PM   #13
cmyk
resident girl.
cmyk's Avatar
United_States
59
Rep
1,017
Posts

Drives: 2008 335i + 2014 X5
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: DFW, Texas

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [8.76]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe-
Coolant Reserve tank!, It's actually a pretty easy fix, They are made of plastic and with lots of heat and cold tend to hairline crack and cause a slow leak, ironic when the coolant heats up and runs through this thing, It will create a slight seal, but when the coolant cools (Un-expands) it leaks.

Do you know if they did the pressure test while after the engine was hot or while the engine was cold?

I had this issue on my e46, dealership couldn't figure it out, I just kept adding coolant, eventually, the hairline crack turned into a massive crack and I came out in the morning to a car with 0 coolant.

No leak during load but leak when cold.

GL. I suggest they remove the coolant reserve and fully inspect for cracks.
Thanks, that makes sense. As far as whether they did the pressure tests on a hot or cold engine, I do not know. I imagine it was warmed up, though. Judging by the fact that when I picked the car up the mpg display had made it down to ~6mpg it looks like they let it sit and idle for quite a while (maybe to warm the engine up).

This was my last service before warranty is up (I'm on my own as of Friday), so I may end up DIYing this from here. I'll have to look it up in the Bentley manual but the whole system seems fairly self explanatory from what I've seen so far.
__________________


2008 E90 335i // Black Everything // photos
COBB tuned / QTP e-cutouts / Helix FMIC / cp-e DCI / AWE BOVs / Catless / FBO + F15 X5 xDrive35i
Appreciate 0
      10-24-2012, 10:18 PM   #14
cmyk
resident girl.
cmyk's Avatar
United_States
59
Rep
1,017
Posts

Drives: 2008 335i + 2014 X5
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: DFW, Texas

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [8.76]
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrQuickR1
Look around all over on the inside of the engine bay, coolant hoses, water pump area, thermostat, etc... If there is any coolant spilling out or leaking, you will see a white powder like residue. That is coolant after it has dried or exposed to air or whatever. If you unscrew your resvoir cap, you should see some on the underside of the cap. Be sure the bleeder screw on the resevoir tank is also closed snug tight...do not force tighten it as it can break.
Thanks. I clean my engine bay periodically and always check for any evidence of fluid leaks. I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary, which was adding to my confusion. I'll do a more thorough check this weekend and see if there's anything I may have missed.
__________________


2008 E90 335i // Black Everything // photos
COBB tuned / QTP e-cutouts / Helix FMIC / cp-e DCI / AWE BOVs / Catless / FBO + F15 X5 xDrive35i
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2014, 08:17 AM   #15
RodimusPrime98
New Member
0
Rep
25
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Minneapolis, MN

iTrader: (0)

Did you ever sort out the root cause of this issue? I am trying to sort out a similar situation with my 2007 335i. I notice the coolant smell after hard pulls or hard driving the most. I don't understand why the smell would be more pronounced for me in this situation after spirited driving. Does the coolant system pressure increase with engine RPM?
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2014, 10:07 AM   #16
BluesDriver
Private
16
Rep
87
Posts

Drives: 2011 328i Coupe
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Los Angeles

iTrader: (0)

Whatever happened to CMYK anyway??

I also have coolant slowly disappearing and the dealer says there are no leaks to be found.

Rodimus, I can only guess that after hard driving the engine is hotter and therefore the pump spins faster which in turn creates more pressure.

In other posts I've read that the coolant cap was defective and that solved the problem. I might just replace it on my own and see what happens.
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2014, 11:15 AM   #17
mike3000fl
Banned
No_Country
138
Rep
2,731
Posts

Drives: 06 330i
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Tampa

iTrader: (0)

Head gasket. You smell it from exhaust. Leak down or compression test.
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2014, 12:29 PM   #18
thomas88162
Lieutenant
19
Rep
595
Posts

Drives: E92 328i
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Clinton, IN

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mike3000fl View Post
Head gasket. You smell it from exhaust. Leak down or compression test.
If you can smell the coolant, especially while the car is in motion, this is the last thing I would suspect. It has to be leaking in the engine compartment somewhere, at least I would think.
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2014, 12:55 PM   #19
fazman
Brigadier General
United_States
681
Rep
3,696
Posts

Drives: 335 e90
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Los Angeles

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RodimusPrime98 View Post
Did you ever sort out the root cause of this issue? I am trying to sort out a similar situation with my 2007 335i. I notice the coolant smell after hard pulls or hard driving the most. I don't understand why the smell would be more pronounced for me in this situation after spirited driving. Does the coolant system pressure increase with engine RPM?
I am losing coolant as well (I take it to the dealership every 6 months and have them top up the reservoir). an Indy noticed that one of the front coolant lines was very moist on my car... it's probably leaking from there on my car (But from what my SA said... it's not covered under CPO).
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2014, 01:19 PM   #20
RodimusPrime98
New Member
0
Rep
25
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Minneapolis, MN

iTrader: (0)

Jeez, I hope it is not a head gasket! I called the local dealership and they did not seem to think it was the heater core but if it was it is 20hrs and $2900! I will look around the engine bay and the interior and see if I can see any leaks or white residue.

I forgot to mention that my low coolant light was on this week for the first time, right after I started the car. I ended up adding 1 pint of water to the reservoir. The issue has been going on long before this recent warning light and the addition of water. Also, I have never noticed a film or anything like that on the windshield.
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 08:33 AM   #21
RodimusPrime98
New Member
0
Rep
25
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Minneapolis, MN

iTrader: (0)

Troubleshooted this some this weekend. I don't think it is the heater core at all anymore as I don't smell the coolant at all when the heater is set to recirculate but when it is set to fresh air (non-recirculate) I can smell coolant. Stuck my noise under the hood in a few spots and unscientifically smelled coolant from the air nearest the reservoir. Other things I noticed were some wet hoses at the connection to the driver's side of the radiator (smaller 0.5-1" -ish hoses). Also, I noticed that the oil filter housing is leaking a little from the interface where the cap meets the housing. Also, the power steering reservoir was covered with what looked like leaking fluid (I assume it is the power steering reservoir, it is on the driver's side wheel well). Oil cap had milky residue but from what I have read that is normal and not the same as the oil itself being milky. No smell of coolant from exhaust.
Anyone one have any other thoughts? I will probably monitor the coolant level and wait to mention my observations when I take it in for an oil change in a month or so.
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 09:58 AM   #22
cialz
Second Lieutenant
15
Rep
251
Posts

Drives: e93 335i 07
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: LA, CA

iTrader: (0)

Happened to my x5 there was a hairline hole in the coolant reservoir so small that at regular temps it was water right. When the motor heats up it was aimed at the header cover so it sprayed in there and quickly dried up. Always got the low coolant light but never saw anything drip either. At least that smell isn't bad.
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:35 PM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST