Michelin tyre noise problem

carl_d · 03-01-2011, 02:48 PM

Anyone else got Michelin tyres on an M-Sport and getting excessive front tyre rumbling noise - sounds like a wheel bearing going bad?

YvesD · 03-01-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by carl_d

Anyone else got Michelin tyres on an M-Sport and getting excessive front tyre rumbling noise - sounds like a wheel bearing going bad?

Oh help.

I thought it was only me that complains about tyre noise

deeno · 03-01-2011, 04:12 PM

I'm guessing you have 18" PS2 run flats? Thats what i've got. They are surpisingly supple for a run flat, but yes on certain surfaces they do emit a rumbling noise. Funnily enough it immediately cuts out if you hit a patch of smooth black tarmack. Its the harder lighter coloured road surfaces on motorways that generate the rumble.

Doesnt really bother me though its not that noticable and I'll probably change to non run flats this summer.

creepy coupe · 03-02-2011, 02:33 AM

I've always found the Michelin's noisey and put it down to their good wear rate and being a slightly harder compound.

carl_d · 03-02-2011, 05:27 AM

Its very noticeable when jumping from an E90 M-Sport 18" wheeled with Bridgestone to one with Michelins - its far more than a 10% difference. I'm finding the car on Michelins unacceptable.

BTW - Had front wheels rotated and noise moved, which suggested a bad tyre. Had bad tyre replaced and much improved (new tyres has different production week/year). Bad tyres was also pulling and lacked grip in wet.

Remaining front tyre also has issues so also replaced and issues became worse with second new tyre (similar product week/year to original)

Seems to me there is a bad batch of Michelin PS2 tyres out there.

YvesD · 03-02-2011, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by carl_d

Its very noticeable when jumping from an E90 M-Sport 18" wheeled with Bridgestone to one with Michelins - its far more than a 10% difference. I'm finding the car on Michelins unacceptable.

Rings true with me too.

Of all the different tyre brands I've tried, the OEM Bridgestone RE050A's were by far the quietest. By far.......

Cheers

Yves

HighlandPete · 03-02-2011, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by carl_d

Anyone else got Michelin tyres on an M-Sport and getting excessive front tyre rumbling noise - sounds like a wheel bearing going bad?

Are you sure it is really a Michelin issue, or more the way the tyre is wearing. Other tyre brands have had issues on the BMW, the Bridgestone Turanza EL42 RFT being probably one of the worst for the bearing type noise. TSB's on a couple of RFTs in the past.

Are you getting severe 'heel and toe' wear on the inner and/or outer shoulder tread blocks? Often the irregular pattern is made worse by running lower than ideal pressures.

BTW, it is something that can occur wirh many types of tyres, often a particular suspension setup seems to make it worse.

HighlandPete

HighlandPete · 03-02-2011, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by YvesD

Of all the different tyre brands I've tried, the OEM Bridgestone RE050A's were by far the quietest. By far.......

That is surprising, as the RE050A typically gets slated for getting noisy as they wear. I know mine were terrible, so loud, by the time I removed them.

HighlandPete

YvesD · 03-02-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by HighlandPete

That is surprising, as the RE050A typically gets slated for getting noisy as they wear. I know mine were terrible, so loud, by the time I removed them.

HighlandPete

Wierd I know, but true for my car.

BTW, what does a faulty wheel bearing sound like?

HighlandPete · 03-02-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by YvesD

BTW, what does a faulty wheel bearing sound like?

A variety of sounds from my experience. From a low frequency rumble/grumbling sound to a higher frequency squeal, sometimes intermittent, but more often continuous. But sound should be speed related. Failing bearings can sometimes change sound as you corner, as you change the load on the failing bearing(s). Often the sound can become quite loud, can also change with the heat in the hub.

Bearings have been changed, when the tyre is the cause of a similar sound.

HighlandPete

Dave_3 · 03-02-2011, 10:11 AM

Never noticed any undue noise from my Michelin RFTs. The Bridgestones were rougher and more unrefined by far.

Had some old cars with a failing wheel bearing .... it will sound like you are flying in a Lancaster.

D.

CyGuardian · 03-17-2011, 01:21 AM

Hello, just my thought as I had a very similar problem. I was on factory bridgestones 18" on my E92 for 3 years (45000kms) and decided to change to a 'better' rft so I put on the Michelins ps2's. The guy at the tyre shop assured me that this was a much more modern rft compared to the one I had abd I would definitely notice the improvement.

When I did the swap I noticed excessive tyre noise coming from the rear especially on the motorway. In fact anything over 80km/h speed would be like sitting in the trunk with your ear stuck to the floor of the car! I blamed the tyres and took the car back to the tyre shop. The guy drove the car for 30 secs on the motorway and 'diagnosed' rear wheel bearings failure.

Off to the stealer, and after confirming the diagnosis of the tyre-guy and swapping out two rear wheel bearings (€170 + labour) the car is so quiet, I think its even better than when I first rolled it out of the stealer three years ago. I can now appreciate how much more comfortable (if anyone can say that for RFTs) are the michelins over the bridgestones.

So my contribution... check wheel bearings.

ps. At the garage they told me that they had a few failures of bearings due to the vibrations from the RFT's which are not absorbed. Even worse they had a few failures of rear differentials, but they blamed that on factory defect for certain models. I drive the e92 320i M sport

zltm089 · 03-17-2011, 03:31 AM

Thanks for your input guys. Interesting comments.

brybentley · 03-17-2011, 11:27 AM

Just noticed in the first post that he states he rotated the tyre!

Does this mean he put the wheel on the other side of the car? This would mean that the tyre was rotating in the wrong direction as they have a directional tread!!!
OR
He put the front wheel on the back!!!
Not sure about his but my wheels are different sizes front to back.

Bryan

brybentley · 03-17-2011, 11:29 AM

Sorry his 2nd post (reply)

ab2pcs · 03-30-2011, 12:41 PM

Noisy as hell ...I just blast the radio up a few notches

Sir_Pigley · 03-30-2011, 06:05 PM

As someone said under-inflated tyres can cause the rumble, so can poor alignment or a tyre that has gone out of shape. I had never heard of that last one before, but it happened with my last Falkens; they went out of round, possibly because of a bent rim, and the noise was awful. As you said just like a failing wheel bearing.

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carl_d General 41 Rep 683 Posts Drives: E90 335i M-Sport N55 6SP Nov10 Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Michelin tyre noise problem Anyone else got Michelin tyres on an M-Sport and getting excessive front tyre rumbling noise - sounds like a wheel bearing going bad? __________________ 2010 E90 335i M-Sport, 2005 E90 325i M-Sport, 2003 E60 520i, 2002 E46 330i Sport II, 2000 E46 325i Sport I, 1999 E46 318i, 1998 E46 323i SE, 1996 E36 323i SE, 1996 E34 518i, 1995 E36 320iA, 1994 E36 316i
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deeno Private First Class 7 Rep 183 Posts Drives: F30 330d Xdrive M SPORT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Herts iTrader: (0)	I'm guessing you have 18" PS2 run flats? Thats what i've got. They are surpisingly supple for a run flat, but yes on certain surfaces they do emit a rumbling noise. Funnily enough it immediately cuts out if you hit a patch of smooth black tarmack. Its the harder lighter coloured road surfaces on motorways that generate the rumble. Doesnt really bother me though its not that noticable and I'll probably change to non run flats this summer.
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creepy coupe Lieutenant General 1867 Rep 13,043 Posts Drives: BMW M340I G20 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (2) Garage List 2015 BMW 435d [0.00] 2009 335i [0.00]	I've always found the Michelin's noisey and put it down to their good wear rate and being a slightly harder compound.
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carl_d General 41 Rep 683 Posts Drives: E90 335i M-Sport N55 6SP Nov10 Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Its very noticeable when jumping from an E90 M-Sport 18" wheeled with Bridgestone to one with Michelins - its far more than a 10% difference. I'm finding the car on Michelins unacceptable. BTW - Had front wheels rotated and noise moved, which suggested a bad tyre. Had bad tyre replaced and much improved (new tyres has different production week/year). Bad tyres was also pulling and lacked grip in wet. Remaining front tyre also has issues so also replaced and issues became worse with second new tyre (similar product week/year to original) Seems to me there is a bad batch of Michelin PS2 tyres out there. __________________ 2010 E90 335i M-Sport, 2005 E90 325i M-Sport, 2003 E60 520i, 2002 E46 330i Sport II, 2000 E46 325i Sport I, 1999 E46 318i, 1998 E46 323i SE, 1996 E36 323i SE, 1996 E34 518i, 1995 E36 320iA, 1994 E36 316i Last edited by carl_d; 03-02-2011 at 05:37 AM..
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CyGuardian Enlisted Member 13 Rep 45 Posts Drives: E92 Le Mans Blue 320i Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cyprus iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 E92 320i [0.00]	Hello, just my thought as I had a very similar problem. I was on factory bridgestones 18" on my E92 for 3 years (45000kms) and decided to change to a 'better' rft so I put on the Michelins ps2's. The guy at the tyre shop assured me that this was a much more modern rft compared to the one I had abd I would definitely notice the improvement. When I did the swap I noticed excessive tyre noise coming from the rear especially on the motorway. In fact anything over 80km/h speed would be like sitting in the trunk with your ear stuck to the floor of the car! I blamed the tyres and took the car back to the tyre shop. The guy drove the car for 30 secs on the motorway and 'diagnosed' rear wheel bearings failure. Off to the stealer, and after confirming the diagnosis of the tyre-guy and swapping out two rear wheel bearings (€170 + labour) the car is so quiet, I think its even better than when I first rolled it out of the stealer three years ago. I can now appreciate how much more comfortable (if anyone can say that for RFTs) are the michelins over the bridgestones. So my contribution... check wheel bearings. ps. At the garage they told me that they had a few failures of bearings due to the vibrations from the RFT's which are not absorbed. Even worse they had a few failures of rear differentials, but they blamed that on factory defect for certain models. I drive the e92 320i M sport
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brybentley New Member 4 Rep 28 Posts Drives: 425d M Sport Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: United Kingdom iTrader: (0)	Tyre rotation??? Just noticed in the first post that he states he rotated the tyre! Does this mean he put the wheel on the other side of the car? This would mean that the tyre was rotating in the wrong direction as they have a directional tread!!! OR He put the front wheel on the back!!! Not sure about his but my wheels are different sizes front to back. Bryan
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ab2pcs Second Lieutenant 7 Rep 257 Posts Drives: 320i M sport plus Join Date: May 2009 Location: Scotland iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 320i Msport plus [0.00]	Noisy as hell ...I just blast the radio up a few notches __________________
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Sir_Pigley Captain 32 Rep 849 Posts Drives: 640d GC / 420i XDrive Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Banbury iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 BMW 420i XDrive [0.00] 2015 BMW 640d Gran ... [0.00]	As someone said under-inflated tyres can cause the rumble, so can poor alignment or a tyre that has gone out of shape. I had never heard of that last one before, but it happened with my last Falkens; they went out of round, possibly because of a bent rim, and the noise was awful. As you said just like a failing wheel bearing.
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