My VMR VB3s are ruined

Little_Titto · 07-08-2010, 08:55 PM

Back in March I bought the VMR VB3s from Jurrian in textured black. They were such sweet wheels. So how did they get ruined? Simply put, P21S WHEEL CLEANER I'm sure you guys are shocked as I am. All the pictures are below.

First off, I did the dumbest thing of not testing it on the back of the wheel. I went ahead and sprayed it on all four, but at the same time everyone recommends this cleaner, I cleaned my brother's VW allow wheels, and the box itself says,

"And like our regular strength formula P21S Gel is totally safe for any type of wheel coating. Its non-acid, pH controlled formula is surface safe for any type of wheel coating or finish, Including new powder clear coats, bare aluminum..."

Please do not flame me on that because I'm already heart broken

So here's the details. The car was parked in the garage all day so the wheels were cool. My car needs a complete detail so I figured I would start by giving it a wash. I spray all 4 wheels with the wheel cleaner and left it on for about 15 minutes (it says to leave on for up to 2 hours for heavily soiled wheels) before I started scrubbing. The car was in the garage until I was ready to scrub. So I start scrubbing one wheel and noticed a color offset so I quickly spray off all 4 wheels, but it was too late. I washed them all off immediately and once they dried all the wheels had the powder coat stripped off. You can imagine how I felt after I saw that since I spent a bundle on those rims and have only had them since March 2010.

I emailed detailed image and they said that I needed to contact the guys that make the P21S wheel cleaner. So I have an email out to them. I really hope it is hassle free and someone reimburses me the cost to repair the wheels.

So I have found two places that are within an hour drive from Syracuse, NY that powder coat wheels. I don't know whether they are any good or not, but if anyone has heard of them please chime in. I don't know much about the process for powder coating so If anyone can check these websites out and let me know what you think:

http://www.powderworth.com/
http://www.customultracoat.com/

I also have a message to Jurrian to see how much he thinks it will run me to ship them out to California and get them coated since they were absolutely amazingly beautiful when I got them.

Now I am going to go cry myself to sleep

lpphreakx06 · 07-08-2010, 09:10 PM

Sorry for your loss.

Ovalcram · 07-08-2010, 09:10 PM

Dang, sorry to hear about that. Good luck

BOSSBMW · 07-08-2010, 09:33 PM

damn dude that sucks soooo bad, i feel for you... good luck.

v300 · 07-08-2010, 09:36 PM

/feel your pain.

We should sticky this thread and have a compilation so newbs like me wouldn't use incorrect wheel cleaners.

m_power · 07-08-2010, 09:48 PM

Wow man, dude....

csupernova · 07-08-2010, 09:54 PM

Sorry to see that man.
I know VMR only recommends to clean their wheels with mild car shampoo. I cleaned my V710 with Mother's Wheel Cleaner and also some other brands but thank god they didn't ruin my wheel finishes. P21S is a reputable product, surprise to see that man.

e90ben · 07-08-2010, 10:00 PM

WOW!

Im really shocked that P21 gel took that finish off.

Its not even that strong of a wheel cleaner, maybe they forgot to dilute that batch.

I would buy another bottle from a different source, and do a chemical analysis of both.

Either way P21s or VMR owes you a new set of wheels

USC2000 · 07-08-2010, 10:05 PM

That really sucks. I thought powder coating would hold up better than that.

csupernova · 07-08-2010, 10:08 PM

i believe textured black is not powder coat....I could be wrong though.

Bartman619 · 07-08-2010, 11:07 PM

been using P21s on all kinds of wheels for over 12 years and it never did anything like that, on painted, cleared, and powdercoated wheels. i think the wheel finish was defective or was not put on properly.

Express · 07-08-2010, 11:19 PM

+1 someone get this man some new wheels?

c_jeong89 · 07-08-2010, 11:49 PM

damn that's one of the reasons I only use soap but damn p21s?!

Wake27 · 07-09-2010, 12:00 AM

That looks painful.

JoeyBananaz18 · 07-09-2010, 12:46 AM

thats a shame. those wheels must have looked good. id send those pics right to P21S and have them pay for a refinishing.

JoeyBananaz18 · 07-09-2010, 12:48 AM

ALSO.......

i hate to say it, but you might be better off just covering the entire wheel and getting all the finish off just to make it look more uniform. after you send the pics of course.

ddigangi · 07-09-2010, 01:51 AM

that f***ing sucks dude

but not a terrible loss, just needs to be repainted and never cleaned with that shit again!!

lambtron · 07-09-2010, 01:53 AM

I'll bet he's sol trying to get VMR to give him new wheels if they recommend using only mild car soap...OP, I feel your pain, I would def send pics to both companies to at least try to get a new set or get them to pay for powdercoating!

scooby9 · 07-09-2010, 01:58 AM

Re-powdercoat and wheels will be as good as new.

yamazaho · 07-09-2010, 02:19 AM

Dude that sucks, I have never used any wheel cleaners before and I don't think I will ever use them.

XDEEDUBBX · 07-09-2010, 02:33 AM

time for powdercoat!

cstavaru · 07-09-2010, 02:39 AM

I think that it's not VMR's fault or P21S's (wheel cleaner) fault. Its the power coating process, which as far as I know is not usually done by VMR.

I am really sorry for your loss, but I think it's easily fixable in a number of ways, like painting or re-powdercoating (I would use painting this time

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07-08-2010, 08:55 PM	#1
Little_Titto Private First Class 12 Rep 116 Posts Drives: 2007 328i Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Syracuse, NY iTrader: (2)	My VMR VB3s are ruined Back in March I bought the VMR VB3s from Jurrian in textured black. They were such sweet wheels. So how did they get ruined? Simply put, *P21S WHEEL CLEANER* I'm sure you guys are shocked as I am. All the pictures are below. First off, I did the dumbest thing of not testing it on the back of the wheel. I went ahead and sprayed it on all four, but at the same time everyone recommends this cleaner, I cleaned my brother's VW allow wheels, and the box itself says, "And like our regular strength formula P21S Gel is totally safe for any type of wheel coating. Its non-acid, pH controlled formula is surface safe for any type of wheel coating or finish, Including new powder clear coats, bare aluminum..." Please do not flame me on that because I'm already heart broken So here's the details. The car was parked in the garage all day so the wheels were cool. My car needs a complete detail so I figured I would start by giving it a wash. I spray all 4 wheels with the wheel cleaner and left it on for about 15 minutes (it says to leave on for up to 2 hours for heavily soiled wheels) before I started scrubbing. The car was in the garage until I was ready to scrub. So I start scrubbing one wheel and noticed a color offset so I quickly spray off all 4 wheels, but it was too late. I washed them all off immediately and once they dried all the wheels had the powder coat stripped off. You can imagine how I felt after I saw that since I spent a bundle on those rims and have only had them since March 2010. I emailed detailed image and they said that I needed to contact the guys that make the P21S wheel cleaner. So I have an email out to them. I really hope it is hassle free and someone reimburses me the cost to repair the wheels. So I have found two places that are within an hour drive from Syracuse, NY that powder coat wheels. I don't know whether they are any good or not, but if anyone has heard of them please chime in. I don't know much about the process for powder coating so If anyone can check these websites out and let me know what you think: http://www.powderworth.com/ http://www.customultracoat.com/ I also have a message to Jurrian to see how much he thinks it will run me to ship them out to California and get them coated since they were absolutely amazingly beautiful when I got them. Now I am going to go cry myself to sleep
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Ovalcram Lieutenant 20 Rep 548 Posts Drives: E92 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Austin iTrader: (0)	Dang, sorry to hear about that. Good luck
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07-08-2010, 09:33 PM	#4
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07-08-2010, 09:36 PM	#5
v300 First Lieutenant 24 Rep 355 Posts Drives: '11 335is DCT Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: (north) Fullerton, CA iTrader: (12)	/feel your pain. We should sticky this thread and have a compilation so newbs like me wouldn't use incorrect wheel cleaners. __________________ V300 '11 BSM 335is '08 Tiag 335i Coupe w/ Active Steering SOLD
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07-08-2010, 09:54 PM	#7
csupernova Captain 32 Rep 606 Posts Drives: E90 330i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC iTrader: (7)	Sorry to see that man. I know VMR only recommends to clean their wheels with mild car shampoo. I cleaned my V710 with Mother's Wheel Cleaner and also some other brands but thank god they didn't ruin my wheel finishes. P21S is a reputable product, surprise to see that man.
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07-08-2010, 10:00 PM	#8
e90ben Lieutenant 27 Rep 552 Posts Drives: No more Beemer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Vancouver, BC iTrader: (7)	WOW! Im really shocked that P21 gel took that finish off. Its not even that strong of a wheel cleaner, maybe they forgot to dilute that batch. I would buy another bottle from a different source, and do a chemical analysis of both. Either way P21s or VMR owes you a new set of wheels
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07-08-2010, 10:05 PM	#9
USC2000 Lieutenant Colonel 127 Rep 1,604 Posts Drives: F30 328i M Sport Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: El Paso, TX iTrader: (10)	That really sucks. I thought powder coating would hold up better than that.
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07-08-2010, 10:08 PM	#10
csupernova Captain 32 Rep 606 Posts Drives: E90 330i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC iTrader: (7)	i believe textured black is not powder coat....I could be wrong though.
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07-08-2010, 11:07 PM	#11
Bartman619 Captain 25 Rep 701 Posts Drives: Bimmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: SDCA iTrader: (2)	been using P21s on all kinds of wheels for over 12 years and it never did anything like that, on painted, cleared, and powdercoated wheels. i think the wheel finish was defective or was not put on properly.
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07-08-2010, 11:19 PM	#12
Express Major General 369 Rep 8,693 Posts Drives: 06 330i Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: The Promise Land iTrader: (17) Garage List 2006 BMW 330i [8.30]	+1 someone get this man some new wheels?
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07-08-2010, 11:49 PM	#13
c_jeong89 Banned 85 Rep 2,097 Posts Drives: E90 TiAg Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Irvine/Bay Area iTrader: (16)	damn that's one of the reasons I only use soap but damn p21s?!
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Wake27 Lieutenant Colonel 46 Rep 1,681 Posts Drives: '06 330i ZPP ZSP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NoVA missing SoCal iTrader: (1)	That looks painful. __________________ 2006 JB 330i/ZPP/ZSP/I-Drive/Heated Seats/L7/Blacklines/19" Gunmetal V710's on Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas/BMS PBX/Red MFD Scoops/Matte black grilles/Matte black Amber Gone 2.0s/BSW center midrange speaker/35% tint/Black and white roundels
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07-09-2010, 12:46 AM	#15
JoeyBananaz18 Brigadier General 398 Rep 4,084 Posts Drives: metrocard Join Date: May 2009 Location: Whitestone, NY iTrader: (3)	thats a shame. those wheels must have looked good. id send those pics right to P21S and have them pay for a refinishing. __________________ 7/18/09- I pick up my baby- 2009 E92 335i Xdrive, Space Gray over Coral Red. Premium Pkg, Cold Weather Pkg, M-Sport Pkg, 193Ms, Gloss Black grills, Custom Gloss Black Mirrors, Performance shift and E-brake boot, M3 spoiler, Euro fog switch, gloss black interior tim, Coco-Mats (red/black), H&R coilovers, 19'' Alufelgen SF-71s......
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JoeyBananaz18 Brigadier General 398 Rep 4,084 Posts Drives: metrocard Join Date: May 2009 Location: Whitestone, NY iTrader: (3)	ALSO....... i hate to say it, but you might be better off just covering the entire wheel and getting all the finish off just to make it look more uniform. after you send the pics of course. __________________ 7/18/09- I pick up my baby- 2009 E92 335i Xdrive, Space Gray over Coral Red. Premium Pkg, Cold Weather Pkg, M-Sport Pkg, 193Ms, Gloss Black grills, Custom Gloss Black Mirrors, Performance shift and E-brake boot, M3 spoiler, Euro fog switch, gloss black interior tim, Coco-Mats (red/black), H&R coilovers, 19'' Alufelgen SF-71s......
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ddigangi 'Murica 48 Rep 596 Posts Drives: 2006 E90 330i Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chicago, IL iTrader: (2) Garage List 2006 E90 330i [0.00]	that f**ing sucks dude but not a terrible loss, just needs to be repainted and never cleaned with that shit again!! __________________ Web developer at @ Apartments.com, digital media director, budding entrepreneur, technology guru and marketing nut with an affliction for the finer things in life.* I blog at http://ddigangi.com
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07-09-2010, 01:53 AM	#18
lambtron First Lieutenant 162 Rep 336 Posts Drives: Crimson Red E90 335i Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (1)	I'll bet he's sol trying to get VMR to give him new wheels if they recommend using only mild car soap...OP, I feel your pain, I would def send pics to both companies to at least try to get a new set or get them to pay for powdercoating! __________________
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07-09-2010, 01:58 AM	#19
scooby9 Major 61 Rep 1,120 Posts Drives: 2007 E90 BMW 335xi Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada iTrader: (6)	Re-powdercoat and wheels will be as good as new. __________________ *2007 BMW 335xi 6MT TiAg*
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07-09-2010, 02:19 AM	#20
yamazaho Wang D.D.S. 185 Rep 7,057 Posts Drives: 14' WRX, 15' W205 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (11) Garage List 2006 325i [7.76]	Dude that sucks, I have never used any wheel cleaners before and I don't think I will ever use them. __________________ Official Houston Chat Thread
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07-09-2010, 02:33 AM	#21
XDEEDUBBX Lieutenant Colonel 64 Rep 1,715 Posts Drives: 535I Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Los Angelz iTrader: (11)	time for powdercoat! __________________ Click here to join the >>>>https://www.facebook.com/groups/socal535f10crew/
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07-09-2010, 02:39 AM	#22
cstavaru Brigadier General 313 Rep 3,262 Posts Drives: 2009 335i M Sport Sedan 6MT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bucharest, Romania iTrader: (0)	I think that it's not VMR's fault or P21S's (wheel cleaner) fault. Its the power coating process, which as far as I know is not usually done by VMR. I am really sorry for your loss, but I think it's easily fixable in a number of ways, like painting or re-powdercoating (I would use painting this time ) __________________ Mods(click): Cobb + RB Turbos \| Aquamist HFS-4 Meth \| Drexler LSD \| Bilstein B12 Pro-Kit \| Custom K&N Apollo Intake \| Wagner Intercooler \| Macht Schnell Downpipes \| BMW Performance Power Kit \| BMW Performance Exhaust \| BMW Performance Short Shifter \| M3 Subframe Bushings \|
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