Modern day ZHP....

BMW335iOn18s · 06-13-2010, 12:49 AM

Would you consider the modern M-Sport/335is models to be a modern version of the ZHP? Aren't they going to be the sought after models in the years to come when e9x production ends?

Zero.7 · 06-13-2010, 12:52 AM

Maybe the iS, but not the Msprt alone since the Msprt was essentially just cosmetic changes. I honestly still wished I had kept my AW 330ci ZHP

BMW335iOn18s · 06-13-2010, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cni2i

Maybe the iS, but not the Msprt alone since the Msprt was essentially just cosmetic changes. I honestly still wished I had kept my AW 330ci ZHP

yeah, but m-sports are going to be extremely few and far inbetween..even more so the Pre-LCI and with 225M's

I sorta agree with you but what is it that makes you feel the 335i was inferior to a ZHP?

freeflydive · 06-13-2010, 11:35 AM

I would think the IS will be. I had a 330i zhp in imola red...still miss it

granadablanca · 06-13-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cni2i

I honestly still wished I had kept my AW 330ci ZHP

Such wonderful cars.

lpphreakx06 · 06-13-2010, 11:57 AM

Sorry but what was included in teh ZHP package?

granadablanca · 06-13-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lpphreakx06

Sorry but what was included in teh ZHP package?

amazingness. they were just perfectly sorted out, nothing over the top.

Alexander · 06-13-2010, 12:07 PM

I had a ZHP 330ci... Black/ Saddle. God what a fucking car.

TheBaronSG · 06-13-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lpphreakx06

Sorry but what was included in teh ZHP package?

what he said...

BMW335iOn18s · 06-13-2010, 08:35 PM

if i can recall everything, it consisted of:

10+hp and a 200 rpm limiter increase

anthracite headliner

alcantara seats and steering wheel

stiffer suspention

3.46 (vs. 3.73) (or vise versa, i cant remember) final drive

and the most important difference: (IMO)

M-Tech II Body Kit and Style 135 rims

cotmfk · 06-14-2010, 06:48 AM

I think both will be.

mike-y · 06-14-2010, 10:14 AM

I believe some suspension bits (lower control arms?) on the ZHP were also different than regular 330s.

F32Fleet · 06-14-2010, 10:24 AM

The Is is a good attempt, but It don't think it's even close is the suspension setup is the same as the non-'is' models.

JoeyBananaz18 · 06-14-2010, 10:30 AM

if you're talking about rarity, then YES. there are so few M-sports compared to non-Msports. this was my thinking when i ordered my car. in 15-20 years my car will be a bit more special than an average E92.
on the other hand, if you talking in terms of performance, then NO. the ZHP had had significant performance upgrades that separated it from a standard E46. The same can not be said about an M-sport vs a standard E92.

noro · 06-14-2010, 10:31 AM

ZHP was tailored to fill in a gap in the E46 series, that is a lack of 4DR M3. While it's no M3 in terms of acceleration, it is pretty close in the way it drives.

The iS IMO is simply a random thought to capitalize on the aftermarket crowd. Looks aside, you can take a base 335i and with very little cash make it perform like the iS.

BTW, slightly off topic, but this weekend I drove to Montreal in the ZHP, I averaged 32MPH in that car. The best I could ever do in similar driving conditions in the 335i was 26MPG.

If you look at recent pricing of the ZHP you can conclude that while any BMW fan will certainly appreciate that car, at the end of the day it is still a mass production car. And it's not even a different model, it's simply a package. With iS being technically a different model one could say that if the total production numbers stay low it may do a better job of holding its value.

positiveions · 06-14-2010, 01:54 PM

the "IS" is an overhyped car. I wouldn't pay so much money for that. I can get a used M3.
And you know most of the people that buy the IS are going to start upgrading stuff: suspension, software, etc etc... so the extra money you just dumped on purchasing the car is a waste.

noro · 06-14-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by eatrach73

the "IS" is an overhyped car. I wouldn't pay so much money for that. I can get a used M3.
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funny, that's exactly what a lot of people said when ZHP 1st came out. I, too, ended up leasing a 330i Sport instead of the ZHP back in 2004 because I didn't think it was worth the extra money.

Edward · 06-14-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by eatrach73

the "IS" is an overhyped car. I wouldn't pay so much money for that. I can get a used M3.
And you know most of the people that buy the IS are going to start upgrading stuff: suspension, software, etc etc... so the extra money you just dumped on purchasing the car is a waste.

Have you driven the DCT? The option to have DCT alone was almost worth the higher base. To me it makes the driving experience so much different and significantly more fun than any 6MT or 6AT 335i. I'm in the other camp too...I'd be itching to mod a regular 335i but with this one, I have no desire to do much of anything at all besides an oem m3 spoiler.

Dackz · 06-14-2010, 02:20 PM

I would say the iS I suppose, but not the M-sport at all.

DASHOCKER · 06-14-2010, 02:27 PM

I think the 335IS is the modern day interpretation of the ZHP. The E46 ZHP is a killer car.

TwinTurboXI · 06-14-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by freeflydive

I would think the IS will be. I had a 330i zhp in imola red...still miss it

Same here man, That car was perfect.

I flew out to Denver from Pittsburgh to pick up one of the last remaining new ZHP's in the country.

bavarian19 · 06-14-2010, 03:55 PM

ZHP was nice, but it was not all that much better. Most of it was cosmetics.

Im sorry, but 10 hp and some incredibly minor suspension changes do not quantify some ultra exclusive package that is that much more sought out.

Msport does most of what the ZHP did, and that was provide cosmetic upgrades. Sure, there is no boost in power or suspension mods, but BMW Performance has picked up the ball in that regard.

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Zero.7 Colonel 97 Rep 2,415 Posts Drives: F30 340i AW M-Sport Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SOCAL iTrader: (6)	Maybe the iS, but not the Msprt alone since the Msprt was essentially just cosmetic changes. I honestly still wished I had kept my AW 330ci ZHP __________________ '16 f30 AW 340i M-sport 8-speed Auto BMW ///M Performance Power and Sound Kit with Carbon Tips / Gloss Black Performance grilles
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freeflydive Private 3 Rep 68 Posts Drives: Blk 335i/E92/Sport/Prem/iDrive Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Swansboro, NC iTrader: (1)	I would think the IS will be. I had a 330i zhp in imola red...still miss it __________________ Cheers, Majdi E. ------------------------------ 2008 335i \| Coupe \| JB3 - Map 5 \| M3 iDrive Knob \| M3 Pedals
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Alexander Mad tyte EuR0 style boooi <--- Joke 212 Rep 2,472 Posts Drives: E30, E85, MKVI Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Deal's Gap iTrader: (0)	I had a ZHP 330ci... Black/ Saddle. God what a fucking car.
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BMW335iOn18s Resident BMW Fanboy 259 Rep 866 Posts Drives: F82 CS SMB Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA iTrader: (0)	if i can recall everything, it consisted of: 10+hp and a 200 rpm limiter increase anthracite headliner alcantara seats and steering wheel stiffer suspention 3.46 (vs. 3.73) (or vise versa, i cant remember) final drive and the most important difference: (IMO) M-Tech II Body Kit and Style 135 rims __________________ Current: '20 F82 M4cs SMB / '13 640i M-Sport Carbon Black Past: F30 330xi Luxury Line / F22 M235i 6MT / E92 335i / E46 330ci / E36 328i 5MT
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cotmfk Major General 2051 Rep 6,110 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Somewhere between DC and FL iTrader: (12)	I think both will be. __________________ When you say impact instead of affect/effect, you are communicating that you don't understand the difference between the two words, and are too lazy to learn.
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mike-y just another bmw douche bag 195 Rep 3,640 Posts Drives: 1.9L of fury Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (4)	I believe some suspension bits (lower control arms?) on the ZHP were also different than regular 330s.
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F32Fleet Lieutenant General 3575 Rep 10,355 Posts Drives: 2015 435i Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southeastern US iTrader: (0)	The Is is a good attempt, but It don't think it's even close is the suspension setup is the same as the non-'is' models.
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JoeyBananaz18 Brigadier General 398 Rep 4,084 Posts Drives: metrocard Join Date: May 2009 Location: Whitestone, NY iTrader: (3)	if you're talking about rarity, then YES. there are so few M-sports compared to non-Msports. this was my thinking when i ordered my car. in 15-20 years my car will be a bit more special than an average E92. on the other hand, if you talking in terms of performance, then NO. the ZHP had had significant performance upgrades that separated it from a standard E46. The same can not be said about an M-sport vs a standard E92. __________________ 7/18/09- I pick up my baby- 2009 E92 335i Xdrive, Space Gray over Coral Red. Premium Pkg, Cold Weather Pkg, M-Sport Pkg, 193Ms, Gloss Black grills, Custom Gloss Black Mirrors, Performance shift and E-brake boot, M3 spoiler, Euro fog switch, gloss black interior tim, Coco-Mats (red/black), H&R coilovers, 19'' Alufelgen SF-71s......
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noro Colonel 90 Rep 2,707 Posts Drives: '91 M3, '04 E46 ZHP, '72 2002 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	ZHP was tailored to fill in a gap in the E46 series, that is a lack of 4DR M3. While it's no M3 in terms of acceleration, it is pretty close in the way it drives. The iS IMO is simply a random thought to capitalize on the aftermarket crowd. Looks aside, you can take a base 335i and with very little cash make it perform like the iS. BTW, slightly off topic, but this weekend I drove to Montreal in the ZHP, I averaged 32MPH in that car. The best I could ever do in similar driving conditions in the 335i was 26MPG. If you look at recent pricing of the ZHP you can conclude that while any BMW fan will certainly appreciate that car, at the end of the day it is still a mass production car. And it's not even a different model, it's simply a package. With iS being technically a different model one could say that if the total production numbers stay low it may do a better job of holding its value. __________________ zhpregistry.net - ZHP stats and free classifieds.
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06-14-2010, 02:20 PM	#19
Dackz Hates Speed Limits 111 Rep 2,589 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern CO iTrader: (4)	I would say the iS I suppose, but not the M-sport at all.
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bavarian19 General 517 Rep 18,858 Posts Drives: Car Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: VA iTrader: (23)	ZHP was nice, but it was not all that much better. Most of it was cosmetics. Im sorry, but 10 hp and some incredibly minor suspension changes do not quantify some ultra exclusive package that is that much more sought out. Msport does most of what the ZHP did, and that was provide cosmetic upgrades. Sure, there is no boost in power or suspension mods, but BMW Performance has picked up the ball in that regard.
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