335i makes "Worst cars, year by year" list

dave herzog · 02-25-2010, 04:08 PM

If you don't happen to subscribe to Consumer Reports, the 2007 and 2009 RWD 335i (and the 2008 AWD) made their "Worst cars, year by year" list this year. I only post this to let people who haven't purchased one yet have a chance to see this information. I realize that the reflexive instinct of 99% of subsequent posters will be to delve into why their own personal experience is more statistically significant than Consumers Union's comprehensive, independent auto-testing program (based on 1.4 million vehicle reports) or how "BMW makes the best, most reliable vehicles on the planet" regardless of what the data says, etc.

This is the first time I've seen the 335i singled out as being separate from the 328i, upon which the reliability ratings have usually been based. The 328 is still average or better-than-average.

Good luck.

Ron1n · 02-25-2010, 04:09 PM

And if you saw CR's 10 best list for the year, you'd know how much bullshit that ranking is.

CR has turned into a bunch of bought off pricks.

TurboSpecC · 02-25-2010, 04:10 PM

HPFP perhaps? huge huge huge flaw in the car. definitely would be a dealbreaker for some buyers and CR has every right to get that info out there.

Ron1n · 02-25-2010, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboSpecC

HPFP perhaps? huge huge huge flaw in the car. definitely would be a dealbreaker for some buyers and CR has every right to get that info out there.

Impossible to argue with that, except it's a warranty swap.

Presidio335xi · 02-25-2010, 04:13 PM

as much as i love my car, it has had major awd/computer failure and i have had to have spark plus and coil packs replaced and the control arm bushing broke.

However, everything was covered and free of charge so it really didn't matter!

bsamoul · 02-25-2010, 04:16 PM

made a pdf of the article for people to see if they like:

Worst used cars, year by year.pdf

quattr0 · 02-25-2010, 04:16 PM

Give me a $47k loaded/drive-out car with the same power, luxury and handling then I will consider something else.

Note to self: audi fanboys will show up shortly. Note to self 2: i'm an ex-audi driver so don't fsck w me.

Moja · 02-25-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboSpecC

HPFP perhaps? huge huge huge flaw in the car. definitely would be a dealbreaker for some buyers and CR has every right to get that info out there.

If it were HPFP, why wouldn't '08 RWD be on the list too?

Then again, if its not HPFP, why's the '08 RWD missing from the list?

Knock on wood, my '08 has been flawless, but I do say a silent prayer and once in a while sacrifice a small live goat prior to starting the vehicle to hopefully fend off the dreaded long crank....

sn0wwhite335 · 02-25-2010, 04:22 PM

hahahahhaah. now everyone can understand why i traded my early production 2007 335i in for a 328xi coupe. goodbyeee waste gate rattle, bad fuel pumps, reduced power, engine malfunctions, and anything else that was wrong with my e90 !!(i now sleep better at night) =P

sam2428 · 02-25-2010, 04:22 PM

Some people dont want to be hassled by the process of having to take their car in when something fails even if it is covered by warranty i guess.

I personally love my car....more and more every day i drive it

maswastage · 02-25-2010, 04:22 PM

Their nomenclature is misleading; this article hardly lists the "worst cars." It doesn't even list the cars with the "worst" reliability, just the ones with below average reliability. And given the nature of the HPFP failures, I think it's a fair assessment to say the 335i has below average reliability.

SmoothStyle1 · 02-25-2010, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsamoul

made a pdf of the article for people to see if they like:

Attachment 352832

I find it ridiculous that nether the Camry or Corrola are on that list.

Having your car accelerate by itself or your brakes to fail is far far worse than having your HPFP go out.

Consumer Reports can go fuck themselves.

Ron1n · 02-25-2010, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maswastage

Their nomenclature is misleading; this article hardly lists the "worst cars." It doesn't even list the cars with the "worst" reliability, just the ones with below average reliability. And given the nature of the HPFP failures, I think it's a fair assessment to say the 335i has below average reliability.

It doesn't say how the reliability is defined, either?

quattr0 · 02-25-2010, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maswastage

Their nomenclature is misleading; this article hardly lists the "worst cars." It doesn't even list the cars with the "worst" reliability, just the ones with below average reliability. And given the nature of the HPFP failures, I think it's a fair assessment to say the 335i has below average reliability.

Below average reliability for what model year? fair assessment? I guess I can't tell yet as I have only 25k miles and not a single major issue.

Delta0311 · 02-25-2010, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmoothStyle1

I find it ridiculous that nether the Camry or Corrola are on that list.

Having your car accelerate by itself or your brakes to fail is far far worse than having your HPFP go out.

Consumer Reports can go fuck themselves.

Yeah you do bring up a very good point there.

Toyota "Moving Forward", it's just that stopping part we haven't figured out yet.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 02-25-2010, 04:31 PM

The "3 series" always wins the 10 best...

But the 335 is not like other 3 series in that it breaks a lot LOL.

No surprise here.

bavarian19 · 02-25-2010, 04:33 PM

@ GM

CirrusSR22 · 02-25-2010, 04:38 PM

Consumer reports has always favored reliability and safety ratings FAR more than how a car drives. As for many Toyotas not being there, these recalls are too new to be included I'd assume.

mcacciola · 02-25-2010, 04:49 PM

Just look what happened to Toyota. Good luck with that.

paulcheung · 02-25-2010, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmoothStyle1

I find it ridiculous that nether the Camry or Corrola are on that list.

Having your car accelerate by itself or your brakes to fail is far far worse than having your HPFP go out.

Consumer Reports can go fuck themselves.

i think there wasn't any problem with the brakes.

Majikthese42 · 02-25-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron1n

And if you saw CR's 10 best list for the year, you'd know how much bullshit that ranking is.

Top road-test scores (CR April 2010 issue):

1. Lexus LS460L 2, Infiniti M35X (AWD) 3. BMW 135i 4. Porsche 911 Carrera S 5. Infiniti M35 (RWD) 6. Mazda 5 7. Infiniti G37 8. Nissan Altima 9. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 10. Hyundai Genesis.

Some of their high scorers aren't my kinda car, but some are. I would be willing to accept a 911 Carrera S as a gift if anyone is offering one.

CR recommends the 328i 2007 and 2008 as a used car. They also recommend several years of Z3 and Z4s.

If you don't want CR to know about your fuel pump, tell them your car is perfect when you fill out the questionnaire.

crazydrummer · 02-25-2010, 05:01 PM

If you think every car on that list is "bad" you are seriously misinformed.

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dave herzog Private 6 Rep 95 Posts Drives: e92 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: . iTrader: (0)	335i makes "Worst cars, year by year" list If you don't happen to subscribe to Consumer Reports, the 2007 and 2009 RWD 335i (and the 2008 AWD) made their "Worst cars, year by year" list this year. I only post this to let people who haven't purchased one yet have a chance to see this information. I realize that the reflexive instinct of 99% of subsequent posters will be to delve into why their own personal experience is more statistically significant than Consumers Union's comprehensive, independent auto-testing program (based on 1.4 million vehicle reports) or how "BMW makes the best, most reliable vehicles on the planet" regardless of what the data says, etc. This is the first time I've seen the 335i singled out as being separate from the 328i, upon which the reliability ratings have usually been based. The 328 is still average or better-than-average. Good luck.
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maswastage Resident Diesel Junkie 56 Rep 1,070 Posts Drives: 2010 AW 335d Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	Their nomenclature is misleading; this article hardly lists the "worst cars." It doesn't even list the cars with the "worst" reliability, just the ones with below average reliability. And given the nature of the HPFP failures, I think it's a fair assessment to say the 335i has below average reliability.
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