Toyota Recall vs BMW recall?

pdub335 · 02-02-2010, 11:22 AM

So with Toyota going all out to repair their image and recalling all of their affected cars, as well as stopping the sales of new cars to fix their problem with the gas pedal dont you guys think BMW should be acting the same way with all their issues with HPFP's? Considering people have had their engines shut down while driving due to their HPFP (im one of them) wouldn't that be an equal hazard just as a gas pedal sticking? Toyota is taking full page ad's and some dealerships are even planning on staying open 24hrs to have these cars repaired.
What has BMW really done? I've taken my car in 3 times for HPFP problems within 2 months. They have been having this problem from MY2007-2010 on all N54 engines.
Yes, I am somewhat venting here and I'm sure a lot of people are gonna jump on here and flame me about how i should expect this and how i should have done research, which i did plenty of, I was on this website for months before I made my order, and was one of the biggest BMW fans since i was a kid. But it sucks when your 92 Honda Accord has been in the shop for less time than my 08 BMW.

idyll · 02-02-2010, 11:25 AM

A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

John 070 · 02-02-2010, 11:31 AM

C'mon, many of us 335 owners have thought of this, no? I think it boils down to the fact that Toyota is much larger than BMW and can afford to fix something with a low probability of failure, and two, the headquarters is in Japan, so it is still a Japanese co. following Japanese management ideas.

SpmnE9zero · 02-02-2010, 11:33 AM

Toyota has to do it because it is a safety issue. BMW gets away with it because although very inconvenient, it does not fall into the safety category to the owner.

Kerosene Hat · 02-02-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pdub335

What has BMW really done? I've taken my car in 3 times for HPFP problems within 2 months.

Lemon that shit next time.

idyll · 02-02-2010, 11:42 AM

Also - Toyota was forced to do this by the US Govt (and they kept claiming it was the floormats not te accelerator). They didn't do it out of free will.

ellipsis212 · 02-02-2010, 11:51 AM

Axis vs. Allies

Nalod · 02-02-2010, 11:55 AM

ANd how do you recall when you don't have a bonafide fix?

By most accounts when newbies are inquiring most fanboys claim this is just a few isolated incidents!

DJKhan85 · 02-02-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bargamon

ANd how do you recall when you don't have a bonafide fix?

By most accounts when newbies are inquiring most fanboys claim this is just a few isolated incidents!

Toyota has no claimed/stated fix yet either. Still going to have a recall. (last I checked they didn't have a fix yet)

VWtoBMW · 02-02-2010, 12:37 PM

Maybe the pump failure should be brought to the press to get word out. BMW will need to do damage control and come up with a solution!

fdsasdasdf · 02-02-2010, 12:49 PM

Once people die from the HPFP issue, then they'll consider recalling it

Kevin Harney · 02-02-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJKhan85

Toyota has no claimed/stated fix yet either. Still going to have a recall. (last I checked they didn't have a fix yet)

Really?!?!?!? I heard parts are starting to arrive at dealerships tomorrow and some would be opening all night to handle the repairs if necessary !!!

Kevin Harney · 02-02-2010, 12:55 PM

Also I believe that the next attempt at solving the BMW problem is arriving at dealerships now as well and I have read that a few owners have had the new pumps installed. Now we just wait and see if it solves the problem or not. So really the only difference between the way its being handled by the 2 companies is one is announcing it to the world - probably because they were forced to and the other is still trying to sweep it under the rug if at all possible.

Kiemyster · 02-02-2010, 12:57 PM

BMW doesnt need to recall, they extended the warranty on the HPFP to 10k miles or something grand. your always covered and its transferred to any owner. bmw's new pumps hopefully wont be a repeat.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 02-02-2010, 12:58 PM

Toyota has people's gas pedals sticking and driving into wall,other cars, etc

An HPFP issue results in your car not starting, or the car stalling out.

How unsafe can it be to apply your brakes and hazards and pull over.

Seriously, this forum over exagerates this HPFP fuel pump like its the next celebrity that has been found to cheat on their wife.

Get over the fuel pumps!

Toyota's is a clear SAFETY concern..

BMW's is not nearly as close, AT ALL. As someone previously mentioned, they have factored in the failures, and the pay out accordingly.

The amount of peoples lives at risk in comparison to a gas pedal getting stuck is signifcantly different.

Captain Oblivious · 02-02-2010, 12:59 PM

This is always a problem on forums. The HPFP isn't a very big issue on the 335i. It seems like it may be a big issue, because we hear about it so much here on the forums, but it's really not. It sucks that your fuel pump has gone out 3 times. But for every HPFP horror story you hear on these forums, there are likely 20 335s out there that haven't had a single problem.

Kiemyster · 02-02-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JPSlick

Toyota's is a clear SAFETY concern..

BMW's is not nearly as close, AT ALL. As someone previously mentioned, they have factored in the failures, and the pay out accordingly.

The amount of peoples lives at risk in comparison to a gas pedal getting stuck is signifcantly different.

exactly, its just as much a risk as a noob on a manual transmission stalling out. you can roll to the side of the road and do wats you gots to dos. gas pedal stuck=fucked.

02-02-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiemyster

exactly, its just as much a risk as a noob on a manual transmission stalling out. you can roll to the side of the road and do wats you gots to dos. gas pedal stuck=fucked.

I think I saw this in a safety video during my driver's ed program but when your accelerator sticks, dont u just shift the car into neutral? That way you can glide to a stop and although your engine may be revving, you're not going anywhere

SmoothStyle1 · 02-02-2010, 01:07 PM

Think about the raw numbers. Yes, Toyota is a much bigger company than BMW but they are also recalling millions of vehicles.

The faulty HPFP's are only an issue in the 135, 335 and 535. Does anyone know how many of these there are on the road here in the U.S.? I would guess less than 200,000.

BMW should do the right thing and recall the damn HPFP's.

Kiemyster · 02-02-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoothStyle1

Think about the raw numbers. Yes, Toyota is a much bigger company than BMW but they are also recalling millions of vehicles.

The faulty HPFP's are only an issue in the 135, 335 and 535. Does anyone know how many of these there are on the road here in the U.S.? I would guess less than 200,000.

BMW should do the right thing and recall the damn HPFP's.

wait, wait? whats the average rate of failure on the HPFP's? someone ?

Kiemyster · 02-02-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by my92

I think I saw this in a safety video during my driver's ed program but when your accelerator sticks, dont u just shift the car into neutral? That way you can glide to a stop and although your engine may be revving, you're not going anywhere

most people will panick instead.... spend the time trying to figure out what the hell is going on instead of thinking of how to solve the situation at hand.

JakeN5 · 02-02-2010, 01:13 PM

BMW does have a permanent fix (hopefully) for the pump issue. It's called the N55 engine. By year's end, all non-M turbo DI gasoline models except the Z4sdrive and 335is will get the new unit. As for current N54 owners, tough shit! They opt to wait until your lease expires and move you into a new one

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pdub335 Private 11 Rep 77 Posts Drives: 08 335 e92 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Elk Grove iTrader: (0)	Toyota Recall vs BMW recall? So with Toyota going all out to repair their image and recalling all of their affected cars, as well as stopping the sales of new cars to fix their problem with the gas pedal dont you guys think BMW should be acting the same way with all their issues with HPFP's? Considering people have had their engines shut down while driving due to their HPFP (im one of them) wouldn't that be an equal hazard just as a gas pedal sticking? Toyota is taking full page ad's and some dealerships are even planning on staying open 24hrs to have these cars repaired. What has BMW really done? I've taken my car in 3 times for HPFP problems within 2 months. They have been having this problem from MY2007-2010 on all N54 engines. Yes, I am somewhat venting here and I'm sure a lot of people are gonna jump on here and flame me about how i should expect this and how i should have done research, which i did plenty of, I was on this website for months before I made my order, and was one of the biggest BMW fans since i was a kid. But it sucks when your 92 Honda Accord has been in the shop for less time than my 08 BMW.
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John 070 Lieutenant General 1705 Rep 14,829 Posts Drives: 335i cpe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ZSP/ZPP/ZCW iTrader: (0)	C'mon, many of us 335 owners have thought of this, no? I think it boils down to the fact that Toyota is much larger than BMW and can afford to fix something with a low probability of failure, and two, the headquarters is in Japan, so it is still a Japanese co. following Japanese management ideas.
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idyll Private First Class 2 Rep 140 Posts Drives: BMW 328i Join Date: May 2008 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	Also - Toyota was forced to do this by the US Govt (and they kept claiming it was the floormats not te accelerator). They didn't do it out of free will.
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Nalod Major 79 Rep 1,073 Posts Drives: 2013 535i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NorthCarolina iTrader: (0)	ANd how do you recall when you don't have a bonafide fix? By most accounts when newbies are inquiring most fanboys claim this is just a few isolated incidents!
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Kevin Harney Captain 20 Rep 767 Posts Drives: 2009 335i Convertible Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Herndon, VA iTrader: (0)	Also I believe that the next attempt at solving the BMW problem is arriving at dealerships now as well and I have read that a few owners have had the new pumps installed. Now we just wait and see if it solves the problem or not. So really the only difference between the way its being handled by the 2 companies is one is announcing it to the world - probably because they were forced to and the other is still trying to sweep it under the rug if at all possible.
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Jeff@TopGearSolutions 3441 Rep 79,211 Posts Drives: C6 Z06, 09 335i, 10 335xi Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: www.TopGearSolutions.com iTrader: (37)	Toyota has people's gas pedals sticking and driving into wall,other cars, etc An HPFP issue results in your car not starting, or the car stalling out. How unsafe can it be to apply your brakes and hazards and pull over. Seriously, this forum over exagerates this HPFP fuel pump like its the next celebrity that has been found to cheat on their wife. Get over the fuel pumps! Toyota's is a clear SAFETY concern.. BMW's is not nearly as close, AT ALL. As someone previously mentioned, they have factored in the failures, and the pay out accordingly. The amount of peoples lives at risk in comparison to a gas pedal getting stuck is signifcantly different.
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Captain Oblivious My car is for sale 7 Rep 239 Posts Drives: slowly for max fuel economy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cary, NC iTrader: (0)	This is always a problem on forums. The HPFP isn't a very big issue on the 335i. It seems like it may be a big issue, because we hear about it so much here on the forums, but it's really not. It sucks that your fuel pump has gone out 3 times. But for every HPFP horror story you hear on these forums, there are likely 20 335s out there that haven't had a single problem. __________________ 2008 E90 335i: Alpine White \| Terra \| Burl \| Sport \| Premium \| Nav \| iPod \| Heated Seats - Sold 2004 E46 325ci: \| Titanium Silver \| Gray \| Burl \| Sport \| 5sp - Sold
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SmoothStyle1 Lieutenant 116 Rep 406 Posts Drives: 340i, 6MT Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NC, USA iTrader: (0)	Think about the raw numbers. Yes, Toyota is a much bigger company than BMW but they are also recalling millions of vehicles. The faulty HPFP's are only an issue in the 135, 335 and 535. Does anyone know how many of these there are on the road here in the U.S.? I would guess less than 200,000. BMW should do the right thing and recall the damn HPFP's. __________________ Specs: '16 340i\|6sp MT\|Silver Metallic\|Black Leather with Oyster Highlights\|Aluminum Hexagon Trim. Options: M-Sport\|Cold Weather\|Technology\|Track Handling\|Power Rear Sunshade\|Driving Assistance \|Driving Assistance Plus\|Lighting\|Harman Kardon\|Surround View Pics of my car
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JakeN5 Second Lieutenant 6 Rep 257 Posts Drives: e90 328i LCI Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	BMW does have a permanent fix (hopefully) for the pump issue. It's called the N55 engine. By year's end, all non-M turbo DI gasoline models except the Z4sdrive and 335is will get the new unit. As for current N54 owners, tough shit! They opt to wait until your lease expires and move you into a new one
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