[Jonny550]

So heres the question, Since the new 335is/335i are bumping up the HP way to close to the m3's standards what the heck dose BMW have in mind for the M3. I have heard people saying the the 3 is getting somewhere from 350+ HP ummmm if you ask me anyone in their right mind is going for the 335is from looks to price tag i mean for almost 10 grand less how cant you choose the new 335.




Heres my opinion

1. give the 335i/s 350+ hp

2. Give the M3 a single turbo V8 or Twin turbo V8 barking right up 500 horsepowers tree.This way the m3 surpasses the new 335 and does not mess with the new m5/m6 550 hp claim.

3. this also gives Audi a car they cant compete with.

4. this also gives the M3 a fighting chance against the psycho C63

5. You get the grunt and fun of a V8 and to boot its boosted so you get the torque of a semi truck.

6.Give it a LSD and tweak the exterior parts a lil...........Hay guess what BMW i got a secret ........You have a car thats ganna win you some awards.

[VTECaddict]

It has handling.

M is not about raw power. It's about the best combination of power, handling and practicality. A sports car you daily drive during the week and take to the track on the weekend. The M3 already bests the C63 and IS-F on the track, even though it's down on power and torque.

[Jonny550]

Originally Posted by VTECaddict

M is not about raw power. It's about the best combination of power, handling and practicality. A race car you can commute back home with. The M3 already bests the C63 and IS-F on the track, even though it's down on power and torque.

I forgot to mention handling but yes you are correct it is a true ultimate driving machine.

[galahad05]

The key for the 335 is the LSD.
The key for the M3 is more torque -- a bit more of it -- so it can launch out of the corners a bit harder. Either that, or a bit less weight.

[balance]

man that would be my dream m3

[bsamoul]

An LSD M3 would be awesome. An M3 can already beat the beastly C63 on the track because the steering is looser than the hooker on the corner and has nowhere near the handling of a BMW.

[cotmfk]

The next gen M3 is supposed to be TT Inline 6. So, they pretty much can do anything with that.

[magbarn]

The sad thing (not for the M3) is that it seems to be most reliable 3 series with more than 300HP. No stupid HPFP, no fragile direct injectors... I'd be surprised if the F30's M3 is going to be as reliable.

[Jonny550]

Originally Posted by cotmfk

The next gen M3 is supposed to be TT Inline 6. So, they pretty much can do anything with that.

thats is ridiculous..... so its basicly ganna be a 335i with better handling boosting at about 13 psi with some exterior differences...now that would be stupid i def would not buy it just becuase i could get the same thing a 335

[Nalod]

Its BMW way of bringing MOds in house and capturing some profits. You can now lease a fully modded car and have an extra "S" to prove your even better than just A 335Msport.

This is about selling cars.

Can you get a C63 in manual? Oops?

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by VTECaddict

It has handling.

M is not about raw power. It's about the best combination of power, handling and practicality. A sports car you daily drive during the week and take to the track on the weekend. The M3 already bests the C63 and IS-F on the track, even though it's down on power and torque.

Agreed. The C63 is a tank, and AMG's focus has always always seemed to be on squeezing the most power out of non-naturally aspirated engines, and squeezing the largest engines possible into their cars.

Basically good for only the dragstrip

And you are right about the CURRENT M3 besting its newer rivals. Balance over power FTW. BMW doesn't have much to improve upon

[Terrance28]

Originally Posted by bsamoul

An LSD M3 would be awesome. An M3 can already beat the beastly C63 on the track because the steering is looser than the hooker on the corner and has nowhere near the handling of a BMW.

The M3 already has an LSD.

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by Jon335iFL

thats is ridiculous..... so its basicly ganna be a 335i with better handling boosting at about 13 psi with some exterior differences...now that would be stupid i def would not buy it just becuase i could get the same thing a 335

believe me that the m3 engine will be completely something else. you see already the differences between the V8 twin turbo in the AG models (e.g.750i) and in the X5M. Next to that the chassis / suspension will be lighter and sharper, incl. better brakes and LSD. BMW is not stupid to let a cheap AG model come too close to a M model. They will make sure the M will be the fastest on a track by a considerable margin.

[kgb1637]

Originally Posted by Jon335iFL

thats is ridiculous..... so its basicly ganna be a 335i with better handling boosting at about 13 psi with some exterior differences...now that would be stupid i def would not buy it just becuase i could get the same thing a 335

I highly doubt the next M3 is going to be anything like the current 335i. Sure it has the same engine design (TT V6) but thats about where the similarities will end.

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by marcel b

believe me that the m3 engine will be completely something else. you see already the differences between the V8 twin turbo in the AG models (e.g.750i) and in the X5M. Next to that the chassis / suspension will be lighter and sharper, incl. better brakes and LSD. BMW is not stupid to let a cheap AG model come too close to a M model. They will make sure the M will be the fastest on a track by a considerable margin.

And BMW has never disappointed in that sense.

[canthink344]

Originally Posted by balance

man that would be my dream m3

just looking at you sig, do you have problems with speedbumps?

[ianthegreat]

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw the x5m/x6m TT V8 in the m3's.

[josephr25]

Originally Posted by Bavarian III

Agreed. The C63 is a tank, and AMG's focus has always always seemed to be on squeezing the most power out of non-naturally aspirated engines, and squeezing the largest engines possible into their cars.

Basically good for only the dragstrip

And you are right about the CURRENT M3 besting its newer rivals. Balance over power FTW. BMW doesn't have much to improve upon

There are people w/ M3's who can't drive worth shit on the track.

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by ianthegreat

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw the x5m/x6m TT V8 in the m3's.

And I was hoping that BMW would try something else regarding a new engine for the M3. I figured a higher/similar output engine would be used for the M5, but that is a pretty big jump from 414 hp

Originally Posted by Kampfer

There are people w/ M3's who can't drive worth shit on the track.

And what does that mean? Not every M3 owner feels the need to track their vehicle.

[Outlaw 06]

Originally Posted by Bavarian III

... And what does that mean? Not every M3 owner feels the need to track their vehicle.

What’s the purpose of buying an M3 if you’re not planning to track it occasionally? The chassis dynamics of the E46 M3 are truly amazing at high speeds, and there’s simply no other (safe) way to get familiar with the car’s limits without pushing it hard on a track. I'm sure the same holds true for the E9x M3.

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by TJDiCandido

What’s the purpose of buying an M3 if you’re not planning to track it occasionally? The chassis dynamics of the E46 M3 are truly amazing at high speeds, and there’s simply no other (safe) way to get familiar with the car’s limits without pushing it hard on a track. I'm sure the same holds true for the E9x M3.

This is true. But what also remains true is the fact that there are a number of M drivers who support BMW by purchasing the vehicle and appreciating it for what it stands for, and what it is capable of. I'm not saying that it should go its entire life without being tracked; but then again, that decision would have to be left up to the owner. No one on this board doubts that it is an extremely stable vehicle and that it has extraordinarily high limits. That said, tracking it is solely a matter of preference.

[Nalod]

the N55 engine one would hope is much better than the 54.

Being said, the M3 is solid.

I assume MPG never figures in this discussion.