[quattr0]

No, it's not the S4 mind you

335d FTW!

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/4335128.html

Maybe it is time for us US drivers to start recognizing?

[DerekS]

Originally Posted by quattr0

No, it's not the S4 mind you

335d FTW!

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/4335128.html

Maybe it is time for us US drivers to start recognizing?

How true !!!

In addition to the award from Popular Mechanics, the 335d was also voted "Best New Luxury Car" by the Automotive Journalists of Canada (AJAC).

When will North Americans wake up to the benefits for the environment and the economy offered by such an outstanding car like the 335d and other diesel models like the VW Golf TDI and the Mercedes Bluetecs ? Imagine if one-third of all new cars sold in NA were diesel: according to the US Department of Transportation, there would be no need to import oil from the Middle East !!! Imagine that !!!!

In Germany, more than 70% of BMWs sold are diesel ! When will North Americans make a serious start on conserving fuel ? By purchasing a 335d instead of a 335i, you would burn 30-40% less fuel and enjoy similar performance. Doesn't this make sense ?

It sure makes sense to me !

[TexAg06]

Originally Posted by DerekS

Imagine if one-third of all new cars sold in NA were diesel: according to the US Department of Transportation, there would be no need to import oil from the Middle East !!! Imagine that !!!!

When will North Americans make a serious start on conserving fuel ? By purchasing a 335d instead of a 335i, you would burn 30-40% less fuel and enjoy similar performance. Doesn't this make sense ?

sorry, but this is incorrect. read the book Turning Oil into Salt. it will give you a nice but not technical overview of why this idea is incorrect.

[Oulixes]

Originally Posted by TexAg06

sorry, but this is incorrect. read the book Turning Oil into Salt. it will give you a nice but not technical overview of why this idea is incorrect.

+1, Europeans like diesel engines, since the cost of fuel is higher there, "turning oil into salt" is right.

[HoustonScott]

Clearly the new 335d is the best 3er that ever came to the USA. People are slow to come this conclusion but it is obvious when drive it and run the numbers. It maybe the best small sedan in the world by a clear margin. It's the sleeper out there that is really still unknown.

HS

[Mk23]

Just took a quick look at the other cars they praised. The best performance car was the GT500!?

[TexAg06]

Originally Posted by Mk335i

Just took a quick look at the other cars they praised. The best performance car was the GT500!?

actually. it's a sweet car. reviewers have genuinely agreed.

[pjm]

Price the Diesel the same as the gasoline engine and I would seriously consider one.

[stressdoc]

To make a serious dent in oil consumption/emissions the USA would need to adopt cars like the 320d, and downsized SUV/SAV/pick-ups with diesels as well. If the USA had the same transportation profile as western Europe (65% diesel & 75% 4 cyl cars; higher use of trains and other public transport) the world would indeed be a very different place economically, politically, and environmentally.

Would I be willing to make the tremendous personal sacrifice of trading my 335i for a 320/323d, riding a high speed train for short range business trips, and riding my bike to work more often? In return for the safety of our armed forces and a balanced national budget so my kids and grandkids would not be sunk in debt? Damn straight I would. What the he!! have what we used to call the -- cough, cough -- "Big 3" been doing for the past few decades? What kind of foolish, short-sighted, self-serving government allowed itself to be coddled into the current mess we find ourselves in? Why do I own BMW stock? Efficient Dynamics. Toss the lawyer politicians and elect some folks like the engineers on BMW AG board. End of OT rant...

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by pjm

Price the Diesel the same as the gasoline engine and I would seriously consider one.

right now diesel is priced for mid-grade gasoline in my market. So far win-win, but I know that'll change once the economy picks up (more goods --> greater demand for transporting those goods -->diesel is #1 fuel used by business who do the transporting.)

[stressdoc]

Originally Posted by Socom

right now diesel is priced for mid-grade gasoline in my market. So far win-win, but I know that'll change once the economy picks up (more goods --> greater demand for transporting those goods -->diesel is #1 fuel used by business who do the transporting.)

I think the issue is the pricing of the car. The 335d is too expensive. IMO the marketing mistake that BMW made was not bringing the 323d to the USA. The public relations benefit of having the equivalent of a Prius -- 50 mpg+ is the rubicon that would attract the kind of attention that is needed -- would be huge. But the pricepoint has got to be mid-market, ideally a base model around 28.5 k. The mini has been able to attract a premium price in its segment, and a 323d at a mainstream price would generate huge volume as well. Another good model would be a decent looking (and lightweight) 1 series diesel.

But these wishes will soon be addressed. I am just impatient.

[Nr!qUe]

One needs to remember that there will always be a price premium on a diesel engine for a comparable gasoline engine.

I wouldnt mind having a 325d (on the UK site theres no 323d)

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

I think the issue is the pricing of the car. The 335d is too expensive. IMO the marketing mistake that BMW made was not bringing the 323d to the USA. The public relations benefit of having the equivalent of a Prius -- 50 mpg+ is the rubicon that would attract the kind of attention that is needed -- would be huge. But the pricepoint has got to be mid-market, ideally a base model around 28.5 k. The mini has been able to attract a premium price in its segment, and a 323d at a mainstream price would generate huge volume as well. Another good model would be a decent looking (and lightweight) 1 series diesel.

But these wishes will soon be addressed. I am just impatient.

I agree the pricing was off, but pricing is tight in this segement. You'll never get a BMW diesel under $30k in the US. Not now, not ever. The US$ is just too weak for that right now.

[Nalod]

The refinery capacity in this country is fixed. If they make more Diesel it comes at reducing the output of Gasoline, and gasoline prices would then go up.

The majority of cars are gasoline so it would hurt the economy with a price penalty.

I drove the 335d and loved it!!!!

My short distance drives and overall lower miles driven per year could not justify the cost nor are short drives good for the health of the diesel.

[maswastage]

Regarding price, the eco-credit meant you could get a 335d for about 2k less than a comparable 335i, and you may still be able to if the promotion is still going on.

[BimmerDom]

Originally Posted by Bargamon

The refinery capacity in this country is fixed. If they make more Diesel it comes at reducing the output of Gasoline, and gasoline prices would then go up.

Technically incorrect, there isn't a switch on the refinery that you can make 100% diesel if you wish.

Depending on the type of refinery, you can extract more diesel from a barrel of oil, but in North America, we tend to use Fluid Catalytic Cracking refineries which yield more gasoline than what is typically used in Europe (Hydrocracking). FCC refineries convert one barrel crude oil into about 50-percent gasoline, 15-percent diesel, and the remainder into jet fuel, home heating oil, heavy fuel oil, liquefied petroleum gas, asphalt, and various other products. Hydrocrackers produce more like 25-percent gasoline and 25-percent diesel from that barrel of oil.

The more people convert from gasoline to diesel, the more diesel will end up costing.

And also for you people who still believe in Global Warming (and Santa Claus), there is about 20% more CO2 per litre in diesel than gasoline (although you can erase this by higher mileage)

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by BimmerDom

Technically incorrect, there isn't a switch on the refinery that you can make 100% diesel if you wish.

Depending on the type of refinery, you can extract more diesel from a barrel of oil, but in North America, we tend to use Fluid Catalytic Cracking refineries which yield more gasoline than what is typically used in Europe (Hydrocracking). FCC refineries convert one barrel crude oil into about 50-percent gasoline, 15-percent diesel, and the remainder into jet fuel, home heating oil, heavy fuel oil, liquefied petroleum gas, asphalt, and various other products. Hydrocrackers produce more like 25-percent gasoline and 25-percent diesel from that barrel of oil.

The more people convert from gasoline to diesel, the more diesel will end up costing.

And also for you people who still believe in Global Warming (and Santa Claus), there is about 20% more CO2 per litre in diesel than gasoline (although you can erase this by higher mileage)

I know this thread is morphing off onto various tangents, but I wanted to say that in the U.S. the current price of fuel is way too low. We're not even breaking even on an inflated adjusted basis so there's plenty of "room" for upward price adjustments.

[SIEN]

Originally Posted by BimmerDom

The more people convert from gasoline to diesel, the more diesel will end up costing.

And this is exactly what happened in Europe. The moment it was noticed that people were switching to diseasal the price shot up.

The pick of the range for me in Europe is by far the 320D. It's mighty quick for the size, helped by the impression of speed that torque can give and of course it's got a turbo so simple to add a few hp here and there.

genesis coupe is the most fun to drive? really? =/

[HoustonScott]

As for the pricing the $4500 credit made it cheaper then thee 335i. I am a big BMW fan, have been since my first ride in a 1968 2002 in 1968. And I will just say it on the forum now, " the 335i gas engine is a looser, it's not a good engine! It's oil temps run why to high, that alone makes it a looser, the HPFP problem is out of control, it's the biggest engine failure BMW has had in 40 years I would cancel it and start over if I was BMW, it's a failure and so is vanos." I wouldn't own a BMW with that engine. There I said it...

HS

[BimmerDom]

Originally Posted by HoustonScott

the 335i gas engine is a looser

You are a "Loser"! - both for your comment and lack of spelling ability when typing the word

I guess Ward's is full of crap for awarding the N54 with 10 best engines in 2007, 2008 and 2009... must be because its a piece of crap engine.... :

[ss134]

The 335d here in Europe is even more powerful than the US version and is just as fast as the 335i but manages better mpg and has better residual values............................................ ...so why do some people here still buy a 335i???????????????

If you dont know the answer then read no further and buy a 335d and you will be happy.

I'm going to go for a drive down some twisty roads, letting my engine rev to 7000rpm and listen to the soundtrack while shifting with my 6MT.