Has anybody with a 335 driven the new TL SH AWD 3.7?

dirtyk · 11-26-2008, 01:26 PM

I drove one yesterday and I think I may be going crazy because it felt really quick. The tach would zing right to redline, nice quick shifts, etc.

It's been a while since I've been in a 335, so just to make sure I'm not losing it I'm wondering if anybody with a 335 (tuned or not) has driven the new TL.

Rotary Rasp · 11-26-2008, 02:30 PM

to bad they're FUGLY!

Kilgore Trout · 11-26-2008, 02:48 PM

Without getting into another tedious debate about the controversial front end of the TL, my main beefs with that car are the size, steering, and AWD

The new Acuras went to an electronic power steering system. The numbness of that system is really disturbing. I find it particularly disconcerting at low speeds, where the disconnection between the steering inputs and what actually happens with the car make it feel like you are playing a video game.

My second concern is the size. Its far too big. The car is actually larger than a 5 series. In fact, I think the exterior dimensions exceed that of many crossover SUVs. Now, if you don't live in an urban area with narrow streets, that might not matter to you. But, out here in LA, such a large car feels impractical to me.

And, my final concern is the AWD. We barely have rain in Los Angeles, let alone snow or ice. I have zero need for an AWD system. So, for me, having to deal with the complexity and weight of AWD just to have a car that handles decently makes no sense. I see you drive an RDX - so YMMV with regard to this particular issue.

Oh, and a parting shot at the front-end, again avoiding the styling issues, that huge chrome front end is an invitation for road debris damage. By the end of a few years, that cheese grater grill is going to look like hell. So, whether or not you like the styling, it is not very practical.

My personal opinion is, if you are no interested in the expense and upkeep of a Bimmer, the G35 is the more sensible alterantive to the Acura TL.

dirtyk · 11-26-2008, 02:56 PM

I agree on all of the above points.

I was just shocked at how quick it was. Now either I'm losing my mind, or I need to go take a 335 for a drive. With a tune

David 12 · 11-26-2008, 02:57 PM

Spot on kilgore - I also think you would be disappointed in the performance of the TL, especially if you are running a tune (jb3, v3, etc.)

lve2xlr8 · 11-26-2008, 02:58 PM

I have always wished the TL was rwd because i liked the old design better than it's competitors (g35 sedan, is350.)

Payroll · 11-26-2008, 02:59 PM

I'd rather kick myself in the groin than drive that soul-less POS.

jj thumper · 11-26-2008, 03:07 PM

I saw a ugly brown one at the SF car show and they stickered for 42K. For a TL!!! I would take a TSX, and buy a CBR.

If I ever meet the designer im gonna kick him in the dick.

E92_328i_Boston · 11-26-2008, 03:11 PM

Why would you guys be so angry about a car that exists that makes your car look that much better? That's like complaining about people at your company who do their job poorly...We should be so thankful,,,it only makes you look that much more capable.

-A

Year's_End · 11-26-2008, 03:11 PM

AWD = ghey. I don't care about the extra tenths it might provide on a racetrack. It's boring.

dirtyk · 11-26-2008, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E92_328i_Boston

Why would you guys be so angry about a car that exists that makes your car look that much better? That's like complaining about people at your company who do their job poorly...We should be so thankful,,,it only makes you look that much more capable.

-A

GreenThree · 11-26-2008, 06:23 PM

Its about time the TL came with AWD. Especially for those in the Northeast. Other than the controversial appearance, I would be interested to see how sales go for Acura with the TL.

Nikolas · 11-26-2008, 06:36 PM

It is extremely ugly, but that particular AWD system is awesome and is definately a performace based system.

E90ice · 11-26-2008, 06:43 PM

The front is not bad, but the rear is just awful.

BzzzBom · 11-26-2008, 07:01 PM

Crappy Kraut is still way better than great rice.

bsd107 · 11-26-2008, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E90ice

The front is not bad, but the rear is just awful.

That rear looks so horrifically bad in pictures that I keep thinking it must look better in real life (but I haven't seen one yet).....

John 070 · 11-26-2008, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp

to bad they're FUGLY!

I liked it when I saw it in brochures.....but when I saw it on the road, holy cow. It looks quite bizarre from the rear. Think it also only has a 5-spd auto, that's boring.

Staszek · 11-26-2008, 09:43 PM

I havent driven the SH AWD but from what I hear its really unreal in the handling department, I will have to check it out.

As for the styling, I actually really like the rear of the new TL, I wish the front wasnt so AWFUL it wouldnt be a bad looking car. The engine is fantastic.

Now the interior is another story all together, the last TL was nice, it was fairly clean inside.

Honda/Acura used to be all about great ergonomics but the inside of the new TL is a mess. I have never seen so many damn buttons!

LI E90 · 11-26-2008, 10:50 PM

No one here has driven one yet becuase the SH-AWD option will not be available until after New Years

wj4 · 11-26-2008, 10:54 PM

I wonder how much it will cost for this car. The MSRP for a V6 Accord coupe with navi now is around $33k...which I think is a bit too high. I would like to think that the MSRP for this car, fully loaded, will be in the very high 30 or low 40.

cgpublic · 11-27-2008, 06:57 AM

Acura has gone off the rails with their recent FMC/MMCs:

09 RL MMC: With the intro of the FMC TL, the flagship no longer has any reason to exist. 50K for an Accord?

09 TL FMC: Failing to build on the promise of the 3G TL as a nice step up for Honda owners seeking a bit of sport mixed with Japanese reliability at a reasonable price point, Acura decided to compete against Lexus. Words cannot describe how disjointed this car looks on the road, although in truth I've only seen one. SH-AWD does provide torque vectoring, however it is very heavy and unlike BMWs new AWD system, only provides a benefit when applying the throttle. This bloated pig has total failure written all over it.

09 TSX FMC: The first gen TSX matched with the 6MT and the tech package equaled a terrific stealth daily driver with a touch of lux features if not actual lux feel. I don't what the team of 50 odd people involved in the decision-making process were thinking, but the result is another total loss.

Let's not forget the DOA RDX and the elimination of the Integra/RSX.

If Acura has exit strategy, the time is now.

Bimmer007 · 11-27-2008, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LI E90

No one here has driven one yet becuase the SH-AWD option will not be available until after New Years

the shawd came out early this month and should be in most show rooms

heres a vid i found, sounds good

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the front looks better in person

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dirtyk Private 5 Rep 60 Posts Drives: RDX ($aving for a 335xi) Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: BC, Canada iTrader: (0)	Has anybody with a 335 driven the new TL SH AWD 3.7? I drove one yesterday and I think I may be going crazy because it felt really quick. The tach would zing right to redline, nice quick shifts, etc. It's been a while since I've been in a 335, so just to make sure I'm not losing it I'm wondering if anybody with a 335 (tuned or not) has driven the new TL.
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Kilgore Trout Chicks dig wagons! 43 Rep 1,375 Posts Drives: 2009 E91 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Where you can see through the people, but not the air (i.e., Los Angeles!) iTrader: (0)	Without getting into another tedious debate about the controversial front end of the TL, my main beefs with that car are the size, steering, and AWD The new Acuras went to an electronic power steering system. The numbness of that system is really disturbing. I find it particularly disconcerting at low speeds, where the disconnection between the steering inputs and what actually happens with the car make it feel like you are playing a video game. My second concern is the size. Its far too big. The car is actually larger than a 5 series. In fact, I think the exterior dimensions exceed that of many crossover SUVs. Now, if you don't live in an urban area with narrow streets, that might not matter to you. But, out here in LA, such a large car feels impractical to me. And, my final concern is the AWD. We barely have rain in Los Angeles, let alone snow or ice. I have zero need for an AWD system. So, for me, having to deal with the complexity and weight of AWD just to have a car that handles decently makes no sense. I see you drive an RDX - so YMMV with regard to this particular issue. Oh, and a parting shot at the front-end, again avoiding the styling issues, that huge chrome front end is an invitation for road debris damage. By the end of a few years, that cheese grater grill is going to look like hell. So, whether or not you like the styling, it is not very practical. My personal opinion is, if you are no interested in the expense and upkeep of a Bimmer, the G35 is the more sensible alterantive to the Acura TL. __________________ E91 Montego Blue gray leather burl walnut , Idrive, PDC, Logic7, CA, Sirius, xenons, 6FL, ZPP, heated seats, 17" tires. 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
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dirtyk Private 5 Rep 60 Posts Drives: RDX ($aving for a 335xi) Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: BC, Canada iTrader: (0)	I agree on all of the above points. I was just shocked at how quick it was. Now either I'm losing my mind, or I need to go take a 335 for a drive. With a tune
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David 12 Major 127 Rep 1,048 Posts Drives: 2019 BMW X5 50i BSM, M Sport Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Omaha iTrader: (0)	Spot on kilgore - I also think you would be disappointed in the performance of the TL, especially if you are running a tune (jb3, v3, etc.)
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lve2xlr8 Major 195 Rep 1,186 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (11)	I have always wished the TL was rwd because i liked the old design better than it's competitors (g35 sedan, is350.)
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GreenThree Colonel 210 Rep 2,110 Posts Drives: 2011 e90 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (0)	Its about time the TL came with AWD. Especially for those in the Northeast. Other than the controversial appearance, I would be interested to see how sales go for Acura with the TL. __________________ 2015 335xi \| Mineral Grey Metallic \| Black Dakota Leather \| NAV \| SportLine \| ZPP \| ZDA \| ZCW \| Munich Build Retired: 2008, 2011, 2013 328xi
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Nikolas Colonel 313 Rep 2,576 Posts Drives: 996 TT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sierra Mountains iTrader: (0)	It is extremely ugly, but that particular AWD system is awesome and is definately a performace based system.
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E90ice Banned 205 Rep 2,002 Posts Drives: 2008 335xi Coupe Join Date: May 2006 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	The front is not bad, but the rear is just awful. __________________
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cgpublic Lieutenant 22 Rep 508 Posts Drives: 2015 A3 2.0T Quattro Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Brooklyn to Bronxville iTrader: (0)	Acura TL = Total Loss Acura has gone off the rails with their recent FMC/MMCs: 09 RL MMC: With the intro of the FMC TL, the flagship no longer has any reason to exist. 50K for an Accord? 09 TL FMC: Failing to build on the promise of the 3G TL as a nice step up for Honda owners seeking a bit of sport mixed with Japanese reliability at a reasonable price point, Acura decided to compete against Lexus. Words cannot describe how disjointed this car looks on the road, although in truth I've only seen one. SH-AWD does provide torque vectoring, however it is very heavy and unlike BMWs new AWD system, only provides a benefit when applying the throttle. This bloated pig has total failure written all over it. 09 TSX FMC: The first gen TSX matched with the 6MT and the tech package equaled a terrific stealth daily driver with a touch of lux features if not actual lux feel. I don't what the team of 50 odd people involved in the decision-making process were thinking, but the result is another total loss. Let's not forget the DOA RDX and the elimination of the Integra/RSX. If Acura has exit strategy, the time is now. __________________ Present: 2015 Audi A3 2.0T Quattro \| Scuba Blue \| Sport Past: 2011 E90 335 xDrive (March Build) \| Deep Sea Blue \| Saddle Brown \| Brushed Aluminum Packages & Options: Premium \| Sport \| Cold Weather \| BMW Apps, iDrive & iPod Past: 2008 E90 328xi \| Montego Blue \| Dakota Black \| Brushed Aluminum Packages & Options: Premium \| Sport \| Xenon \| CA \| Heated Seats \| iPod
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