[xxForgedxx]

I am an Organizational Leadership major at Penn State with an Army ROTC scholarship. I will be a commissioned National Guard Officer after graduation but I will need a civilian job as well. This major sounds a bit shaky in terms of what I can apply it to for a job however I am also told that the major isn't everything. I would like some educated opinions and feedback on what kind of job, how hard I may have to look and what kind of salary I will be looking at with these sort of credentials. Thanks. I have included a link to the description of the program.

http://bulletins.psu.edu/bulletins/b...gram=olead.htm

[The_Blob]

Major or even college degree means nothing.... unless if you want to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer.....

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by The_Blob

Major or even college degree means nothing.... unless if you want to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer.....

This in an untrue statement. College degrees in bullshit majors such as liberal arts, or the one the OP is in dont mean anything since they aren't directly related to any field. Degrees in business, marketing, accounting, and other such subjects matter because they are REQUIRED in order to get a decent starting job.

Best of luck to the OP.

[The_Blob]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

This in an untrue statement. College degrees in bullshit majors such as liberal arts, or the one the OP is in dont mean anything since they aren't directly related to any field. Degrees in business, marketing, accounting, and other such subjects matter because they are REQUIRED in order to get a decent starting job.

Best of luck to the OP.

In Canada, you don't a degree if you want to go into business, marketing or accounting.....

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[Zephyr15]

If you're at University Park hike the 300 yards from the ROTC building to the Bank of America Center and get a drop-in counseling session. It's their job to help you develop your resume, identify potential opportunities and help you try to get them. Asking here isn't a bad thing, but you're not getting the most out of your time. The counselors there understand the PSU degrees already and have a collective knowledge of where people before you have gone. It also would be a good idea to talk to academic advisors in your college because they also probably have some ideas about previous grads as well.

http://www.sa.psu.edu/career/intake.shtml

You must be proactive in your search, particularly in the current economy. Best of luck, enjoy whatever time you have left and throw down a beer for me at the Skellar...or the Cafe, or the Deli, or the Den, or the Phyrst or anywhere else. We Are!

[bolinp78]

Originally Posted by The_Blob

In Canada, you don't a degree if you want to go into business, marketing or accounting.....

This isn't Canada..

[b335i]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

This in an untrue statement. College degrees in bullshit majors such as liberal arts, or the one the OP is in dont mean anything since they aren't directly related to any field. Degrees in business, marketing, accounting, and other such subjects matter because they are REQUIRED in order to get a decent starting job.

Best of luck to the OP.

BS!

First job that came up on the search. 200k a year, wouldn't exactly call it a BS major. Do some research on answering a question you know nothing about!

http://www.diversity-jobs.com/detail...157462/search/

[xxForgedxx]

Originally Posted by b335i

BS!

First job that came up on the search. 200k a year, wouldn't exactly call it a BS major. Do some research on answering a question you know nothing about!

http://www.diversity-jobs.com/detail...157462/search/

Dayummmm

[mithiral67]

I am an accountant, with an accounting degree . . . do I win something?

[b335i]

Originally Posted by xxForgedxx

Dayummmm

Read some books by John P Kotter. Although this is not the direction I am taking in my career I am nearly done with my OL degree and moving on to med school. There are many opportunities in that field! Best of luck!

[mistermojorizin]

Originally Posted by b335i

BS!

First job that came up on the search. 200k a year, wouldn't exactly call it a BS major. Do some research on answering a question you know nothing about!

http://www.diversity-jobs.com/detail...157462/search/

"Six to 10 years of experience required"

[MCS]

Just to weigh in on the OP,

Military/ROTC program during college shows that you can juggle mutiple roles and responsibilities. A lot of companies value that you are doing something else besided just being a student.

At my old employer - Accenture. this was one of the major screeens. If the candidate had an outside job or funciton besides just pursuing a degree, they were moved up.

Grades do count. It demonstrates trainabiliy and an eagerness to learn and/or discipline to study that will again, get you through the screen.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by b335i

BS!

First job that came up on the search. 200k a year, wouldn't exactly call it a BS major. Do some research on answering a question you know nothing about!

http://www.diversity-jobs.com/detail...157462/search/

Masters degree required, PhD Preferred.
Plus 6-10 years of experience.

I don't think you picked the right link to argue your point -- or you know nothing about what you're trying to say...

[b335i]

Originally Posted by mistermojorizin

"Six to 10 years of experience required"

"First job that came up on the search."

Was just making a point!

[yeung330xi]

Originally Posted by The_Blob

In Canada, you don't a degree if you want to go into business, marketing or accounting.....

where in Canada can u get a job in accounting without a degree? or into business for that matter...



companies wont even consider your resume if your applying for those types of positions...even if you wanna push papers in an office your gonna need a adminstration dipolma from a college

[E(@M#]

Originally Posted by The_Blob

Major or even college degree means nothing.... unless if you want to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer.....

considering that less than thirty percent of americans possess a bachelor's degree, ten percent a masters and a mere four percent a PhD..... id tend to lean towards the idea that it does mean something

take a look at a census

[Hedges]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

I am an accountant, with an accounting degree . . . do I win something?

MBA with Honours in Bus Management and Economics + BA in Religion. Self-Employed, do i win something?

[Salespunk]

There are two ways to look at this. For certain jobs such as high end sales, major does not really matter. From this perspective you need to decide what career path do you want to take.

Do you want an intellectual job where you will max out around $200K assuming you are at the top of the pile after 10 years and the security of a steady pay check no matter what? If so you will probably be able to get into a lot of Operations jobs with your degree. These will typically lead to a Director/COO job long term and a 9-5 work schedule. If you are more personable and want more flexibility you will be able to land an entry level sales job. In high end sales you will max out between $400-600K assuming you are top of the pile, but even a mid level sales person will be at $200K within 5-7 years. The advantages are that you have a lot of flexibility since you will not have to be in a office 5 days a week and unlimited upside earnings. The challenge is a HUGE amount of pressure. There is a number on your back every quarter and people are riding you no matter what. You also need to be totally self motivated and realize that the flexibility you have sometimes means 70-80 hour weeks other times.

I have a lot more detail, but I do not want to bore everyone. Let me know if you want more detail.

[Revlis]

Originally Posted by The_Blob

Major or even college degree means nothing.... unless if you want to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer.....

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

This in an untrue statement. College degrees in bullshit majors such as liberal arts, or the one the OP is in dont mean anything since they aren't directly related to any field. Degrees in business, marketing, accounting, and other such subjects matter because they are REQUIRED in order to get a decent starting job.

Best of luck to the OP.

But degrees in business aren't worth .2 either so I'll take the middle road and say that in a LOT of cases, major doesn't matter much. Come on though Marketing? Really? That is just as much of a bullshit major as anything else. Undergrad major counts for not much... Still more than the MBA from a State school right after Bachelors completion though...


Besides, Fine art is where it's at... My BFA in Metalsmithing has paved a path before me...

[Revlis]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

There are two ways to look at this. For certain jobs such as high end sales, major does not really matter. From this perspective you need to decide what career path do you want to take.

Do you want an intellectual job where you will max out around $200K assuming you are at the top of the pile after 10 years and the security of a steady pay check no matter what? If so you will probably be able to get into a lot of Operations jobs with your degree. These will typically lead to a Director/COO job long term and a 9-5 work schedule. If you are more personable and want more flexibility you will be able to land an entry level sales job. In high end sales you will max out between $400-600K assuming you are top of the pile, but even a mid level sales person will be at $200K within 5-7 years. The advantages are that you have a lot of flexibility since you will not have to be in a office 5 days a week and unlimited upside earnings. The challenge is a HUGE amount of pressure. There is a number on your back every quarter and people are riding you no matter what. You also need to be totally self motivated and realize that the flexibility you have sometimes means 70-80 hour weeks other times.

I have a lot more detail, but I do not want to bore everyone. Let me know if you want more detail.

OK, I'll bite, WTF kinda sales position are you talking about? Commercial real estate? Maybe? Otherwise, I know you aren't talking cars...

So please, share...

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