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      12-19-2019, 10:56 AM   #1
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Hung out with Alex yesterday while he was dialing in another M340 and I collected some video. When he was done he asked me, "how did it sound" and I said, "perfect if you're into that type of thing." I'm personally into stealthy power but to each their own

Video & Audio | Mission Performance | Tune with Burble Option
  • All stock car
  • Stage 2 with burble option (I should emphasize (so I don't create problems for MP) this is strictly a sound option and is only included if the customer wants it and has no impact on the HP/TQ numbers)
  • California 91 crap gas with a gallon of e85
  • 450ish Wheel HP add 11% or so for crank
  • 450ish Wheel TQ add 11% or so for crank

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      12-19-2019, 11:00 AM   #2
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      12-19-2019, 12:01 PM   #3
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Does anyone have any Dragy reports for stock vs tuned??
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Oof that burble sounds like gun fire to me, not very good IMO. I love the horsepower and torque numbers but that burble is way too flashy for my taste.
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Yeah terrible sound but good numbers.
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      12-19-2019, 03:02 PM   #6
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Why does everyone seem to use 91 plus a gallon of e85? I have 93 octane where I live. Is that better then the mix?
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      12-19-2019, 03:21 PM   #7
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Why does everyone seem to use 91 plus a gallon of e85? I have 93 octane where I live. Is that better then the mix?
I think so - typically you'll see e85 added to 91 in California because the best we can get in California at the pump is only 91 crap gas.

I add e85 to my 340 to replicate (as close as I can) 93 pump gas.

I'm jealous and would love to be able to fill my car with 93.

For this same reason you'll see tuners offering tunes for 91 or 93 (and if you cant get 93 - it would be 91+e85)

Hope this helps

Ps- to make matters worse e85 is rather scarce in Cali and not available at most stations - so many are simply stuck with 91
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      12-19-2019, 04:13 PM   #8
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I think so - typically you'll see e85 added to 91 in California because the best we can get in California at the pump is only 91 crap gas.

I add e85 to my 340 to replicate (as close as I can) 93 pump gas.

I'm jealous and would love to be able to fill my car with 93.

For this same reason you'll see tuners offering tunes for 91 or 93 (and if you cant get 93 - it would be 91+e85)

Hope this helps

Ps- to make matters worse e85 is rather scarce in Cali and not available at most stations - so many are simply stuck with 91
On MP's b58 page the graphs shows 91 and 93 octane runs. It looks like the 93 gets considerably more power. Like 60hp and 60 Ftlb more?

That seems substantial for only 2 octane difference.
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I think so - typically you'll see e85 added to 91 in California because the best we can get in California at the pump is only 91 crap gas.

I add e85 to my 340 to replicate (as close as I can) 93 pump gas.

I'm jealous and would love to be able to fill my car with 93.

For this same reason you'll see tuners offering tunes for 91 or 93 (and if you cant get 93 - it would be 91+e85)

Hope this helps

Ps- to make matters worse e85 is rather scarce in Cali and not available at most stations - so many are simply stuck with 91
On MP's b58 page the graphs shows 91 and 93 octane runs. It looks like the 93 gets considerably more power. Like 60hp and 60 Ftlb more?

That seems substantial for only 2 octane difference.
So yesterday I witnessed (another forum member was there as well - nice to meet you Alex (not the same MP Alex))the difference between Cali 91 and Cali 91+e85 (to replicate 93ish octane - sorry I'm no expert)

It was really eye opening on the dyno. I think the car took maybe 2-3 runs to adapt and there was the HP gain and it wasn't insignificant

Alex was doing 91 stage work along with 93 stage work and while he wasn't shocked by the difference....I was

Ps-I'm sure he'll jump in here soon or start a new thread and actually explain things - I'm just sharing what I saw - and can't offer any technical expertise
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While I'm not a burble and pop fan...I get it but not for me

I love hearing those tires squeal and scream for mercy as the hp/torque comes on. Those tires were slipping on the dyno rollers can't imagine what they do on the street. Have to imagine they are the stock run flats
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Since it was brought up, I'm curious which fuel is better for a tuned car?? I have access to pure 91 octane premium OR 91 octane with 10% ethanol.

I'm guessing the ethanol mix would be slightly better, but the "pure" 91 is always more expensive. LOL
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Sounds too artificial for my liking. And I like some burbles here and there
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That sounds horrible. I personally want a tune option that removes the stock burble and flatuent sounds as I don't like it (sounds cheap/poorly tuned)
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      12-21-2019, 11:17 AM   #14
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That sounds horrible. I personally want a tune option that removes the stock burble and flatuent sounds as I don't like it (sounds cheap/poorly tuned)
I like that idea - Here's same car, same day, same stage 2 tune - just no burble added to the tune. Granted this video is shot from the front vs the rear but trust me if there was any significant popping or banging going on you would hear it. That said there is no throttle blip, or repeated throttle application on this video to emphasize pop & burble so not the ideal comparison but nonetheless the difference is night and day.

Hope this helps - there was another forum member there I think he captured some video as well so maybe that'll show up at some point.

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I like that idea - Here's same car, same day, same stage 2 tune - just no burble added to the tune. Granted this video is shot from the front vs the rear but trust me if there was any significant popping or banging going on you would hear it. That said there is no throttle blip, or repeated throttle application on this video to emphasize pop & burble so not the ideal comparison but nonetheless the difference is night and day.

Hope this helps - there was another forum member there I think he captured some video as well so maybe that'll show up at some point.

Yeah that's a lot better, I'll take all that power but without the pop/bang but to each their own glad to know I can go silent and go fast if I want with their tune. I suppose some want to advertise or be obnoxious about their new found power and some just want to pass people on the street or track.
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Too much burble for my taste but as long as he is happy with it thats all that matters.
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chenry Any issues going stage 2 tune on stock car?
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No, no issues. And the car's lambda values etc from what I've seen are well within safe factory specs :-)

That said in that it looks like you are in California, like me, to really get the full performance potential out of the tune e30 is recommended. In that we don't have access to anything better than 91 at the pump E30 can be achieved by adding a couple gallons of e85 to our 91 California crap gas. If you don't want to go down the E30 route stage 2 can be provided to run on 91 only albeit with lower performance gains as you might imagine

Something else to consider for us Californians - while the MP Stage 2 tune always comes with free access to a stage 1 tune - as a $100 option Alex provides a dual fuel tune where your stage 2 tune is designed for E30 and your stage 1 is designed for 91.

If you ever want to take a ride and/or drive in a stage 2 M340 or 340 Alex is in Mission Viejo and usually makes himself available for such things and I am in Huntington Beach typically with access to both 340 (mine) and M340 stage 2 cars (friends mine will be here around June)

Hope this helps

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No, no issues. And the car's lambda values etc from what I've seen are well within safe factory specs :-)

That said in that it looks like you are in California, like me, to really get the full performance potential out of the tune e30 is recommended. In that we don't have access to anything better than 91 at the pump E30 can be achieved by adding a couple gallons of e85 to our 91 California crap gas. If you don't want to go down the E30 route stage 2 can be provided to run on 91 only albeit with lower performance gains as you might imagine

Something else to consider for us Californians - while the MP Stage 2 tune always comes with free access to a stage 1 tune - as a $100 option Alex provides a dual fuel tune where your stage 2 tune is designed for E30 and your stage 1 is designed for 91.

If you ever want to take a ride and/or drive in a stage 2 M340 or 340 Alex is in Mission Viejo and usually makes himself available for such things and I am in Huntington Beach typically with access to both 340 (mine) and M340 stage 2 cars (friends mine will be here around June)

Hope this helps

ps- I went to school in LB and we keep our boat in Alamitos Bay
Thanks for the information chenry , curious does stage 2 provide increased performance to stage 1 on just octane 91 if I do not have access to e85 at all times or would the dual tune handle this automatically? What does the user have to do to swap the tune from stage 1 to stage 2 in the case of different fuels? Would I start to experience misfires or any problems without the e85? Thanks again for the info!

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Thanks for the information chenry , curious does stage 2 provide increased performance to stage 1 on just octane 91 if I do not have access to e85 at all times or would the dual tune handle this automatically? What does the user have to do to swap the tune from stage 1 to stage 2 in the case of different fuels? Would I start to experience misfires or any problems without the e85? Thanks again for the info!
I'm going to do what I can here, but I would highly suggest you reach out to Alex for technical details. He's readily available for anyone that wants to work with him. I would suggest a call or email to him vs using the forum as the bat signal to summon him :-) (not saying you in particular are bat signaling)

*does stage 2 provide increased performance to stage 1 on just octane 91: yes
*if I do not have access to e85 at all times or would the dual tune handle this automatically: I think the intent with the dual tune is to run e85/e30 on stage 2 and 91 on stage 1. Personally I would think it would not be advisable to drive your stage 2 e30 tune on 91 highly aggressively in the same manner as you would with e30 in the tank. But I'm probably stating the obvious to you. That said I think what you can get from MP is 91 Stage 1/2, 93 or E30 Stage 1/2, Cali dual fuel - call them to confirm
*What does the user have to do to swap the tune from stage 1 to stage 2: about 45 secs or so using a PC - IOS will be here soon
*Would I start to experience misfires or any problems without the e85: what you would experience by running the wrong fuel with the wrong tune aggressively I don't know - that would be a good question for Alex

I hope this helps - that's about what I have to offer. Please report back if you speak with Alex - you will find him to be a wealth of information

Note: I drive my Stage2 340 on 91 on occasion if I have to (kids out of town soccer tourni as an example) and sometimes I drop it to stock and sometimes I leave it but don't drive like I do at AutoX. Point being you're not stranded on Stage2 with no E85 you just need to be reasonable with your car

ps- PM me if you are in LB and want to connect for a drive

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I'm going to do what I can here, but I would highly suggest you reach out to Alex for technical details. He's readily available for anyone that wants to work with him. I would suggest a call or email to him vs using the forum as the bat signal to summon him :-) (not saying you in particular are bat signaling)

*does stage 2 provide increased performance to stage 1 on just octane 91: yes
*if I do not have access to e85 at all times or would the dual tune handle this automatically: I think the intent with the dual tune is to run e85/e30 on stage 2 and 91 on stage 1. Personally I would think it would not be advisable to drive your stage 2 e30 tune on 91 highly aggressively in the same manner as you would with e30 in the tank. But I'm probably stating the obvious to you. That said I think what you can get from MP is 91 Stage 1/2, 93 or E30 Stage 1/2, Cali dual fuel - call them to confirm
*What does the user have to do to swap the tune from stage 1 to stage 2: about 45 secs or so using a PC - IOS will be here soon
*Would I start to experience misfires or any problems without the e85: what you would experience by running the wrong fuel with the wrong tune aggressively I don't know - that would be a good question for Alex

I hope this helps - that's about what I have to offer. Please report back if you speak with Alex - you will find him to be a wealth of information

Note: I drive my Stage2 340 on 91 on occasion if I have to (kids out of town soccer tourni as an example) and sometimes I drop it to stock and sometimes I leave it but don't drive like I do at AutoX. Point being you're not stranded on Stage2 with no E85 you just need to be reasonable with your car

ps- PM me if you are in LB and want to connect for a drive

Thanks for all the information chenry will PM you for further questions.
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Thanks for all the information chenry will PM you for further questions.
You got it Sammyboy - glad you are enjoying that new flash! Great way to start 2020
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