Putting things in to perspective

330XDave · 08-21-2018, 02:53 AM

I own a 330d Tourer. We all know it's considered a fast car. We all know there are faster cars out there.

But there is nothing more demoralising and no better way of you thinking your car is slow than sitting behind a car for a few miles for it to then blow you away on the slip road to a dual carriageway.

The culprit was an E92 335d. I did think it would pull away from me due it's lighter weight and a bit more power but it didn't pull away - it blew me away! Even had the gearbox in Sport mode anticipating his antics. There must have been some trickery going off, it sounded like an aircraft taking off and there was a lot of black smoke. Not a cool sound or a nice site.

Now where am I best to go for a remap?

HighlandPete · 08-21-2018, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 330XDave

There must have been some trickery going off, it sounded like an aircraft taking off and there was a lot of black smoke. Not a cool sound or a nice site.

Now where am I best to go for a remap?

He was cheating.... "Back to the future" with smoke, not sparks.

Guess his DPF gets a bit overloaded.

Zippee · 08-21-2018, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by HighlandPete

He was cheating.... "Back to the future" with smoke, not sparks.

Guess his DPF gets a bit overloaded.

Its probably sat on a shelf in his garage next to his cats....

HighlandPete · 08-21-2018, 04:21 AM

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Its probably sat on a shelf in his garage next to his cats....

Exactly...

chris-c · 08-21-2018, 04:39 AM

As has been said his car will almost certainly fail a proper MOT unless he spends some time putting his DPF and CAT back in.

A remapped 335D shouldn't smoke badly but you can be sure if its smoking like a good-un it's probably had EGR/DPF/CAT all poked

Hooded · 08-21-2018, 04:49 AM

Yep sounds like he has more than a simple stage 1 remap going on there too.. your description sounds like he pulled away from you the way an M3 would from a 320d if your not exaggerating it. A modified and well tuned 335d will be one rapid diesel!

A remap is calling you now

.. although don't expect 320bhp to keep up with that particular 335d you talk about here.

I recommend .. http://www.e-maps.co.uk

chris-c · 08-21-2018, 04:59 AM

I'd expect that 335D would pull away from me too considering the sheer numbers you see from "stage 2" etc.

Go get yourself remapped and remember that many remappers will be happy to remove the DPF, blank the EGR or remove the cat and claim "it's okay". I considered decatting the 340 but its not worth the risks to me.

330XDave · 08-21-2018, 05:00 AM

Probably about right to be honest, the M3 v 320d comparison that is.

I think e-maps is top of tree for me at the moment.

muffking · 08-21-2018, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 330XDave

Now where am I best to go for a remap?

Probably the same place he had his done

330XDave · 08-21-2018, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chris-c

I'd expect that 335D would pull away from me too considering the sheer numbers you see from "stage 2" etc.

Go get yourself remapped and remember that many remappers will be happy to remove the DPF, blank the EGR or remove the cat and claim "it's okay". I considered decatting the 340 but its not worth the risks to me.

I wouldn't ever mess about with the DPF or EGR, ultimately my car is our family car first and foremost. The most I'll ever be doing is a remap, mainly to liven it up around the 30 - 80mph area. At a push I may fit ACS springs just out of intrigue to see what all the fuss is about but at around £700 I think it's pricey and probably will never bother.

chris-c · 08-21-2018, 05:15 AM

I can't comment on the springs as I've got a non X-drive tourer so it's got different springs but a remap will certainly liven up the car a lot.

lethbridge · 08-21-2018, 05:40 AM

Not sure I'd start on the more power game (if you really wanted more power you'd already be in a 35d

) - we all know where it will end... this forum combined with copious man-maths has proven that an M3/4 is the only thing to drive down the road to true happiness...

But think just how embarrassing that would have been if you, like some of us, had recently arrived at your ultimate destiny as foretold by this very forum and he still had enough grunt to do the same to your M3/4... I had a DMS mapped 35d E90 and it wouldn't have disappeared that quickly so he clearly had some serious trickery at play... Better to immediately back off & pretend you could be can't be bothered to keep up

Watsey · 08-21-2018, 05:44 AM

Remap can get the 30d into a range of 320-350bhp i.e. DMS and Evolve without removal of DPF.

Make sure you have before and after dyno runs as part of the setup (torque curve) and proof of results.

330XDave · 08-21-2018, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lethbridge

Not sure I'd start on the more power game (if you really wanted more power you'd already be in a 35d

) - we all know where it will end... this forum combined with copious man-maths has proven that an M3/4 is the only thing to drive down the road to true happiness...

But think just how embarrassing that would have been if you, like some of us, had recently arrived at your ultimate destiny as foretold by this very forum and he still had enough grunt to do the same to your M3/4... I had a DMS mapped 35d E90 and it wouldn't have disappeared that quickly so he clearly had some serious trickery at play... Better to immediately back off & pretend you could be can't be bothered to keep up

To be fair, he was driving at the speed limit until the slip road, could obviously see the LED DRLs of my car in his mirror and thought that he'd show me what his car is all about. He was gone that quick that by time I decided to back off it was too late anyway. I'll never forget the noise of the vast amount of forced induction though, it literally was like the noise that an aircraft makes while taxi-ing.

dopper99 · 08-21-2018, 05:57 AM

Sell it and buy an M3. Everyone else is.

dopper99 · 08-21-2018, 06:09 AM

Some of guys who've been on here since the E90post days may remember dxb335d . He was obsessed with tuning his E92 335d and doing dozens of Santa Pod runs.
Here he is up against an E46 M3's. Dont forget both are RWD.

he posted some times:

335D 13.5@105mph
M3evo 14.0@99mph

I'm pretty sure a stock F3x would do a 13.5 (although does have xdrive).

chris-c · 08-21-2018, 06:26 AM

There have been a few people with F30's and F31's hitting santa pod both stock and remapped.

A stock F30 335D (x) managed 13.2 @ 104mph.
A remapped F31 335D (x) managed 12.76 @ 107mph.

An M3 might struggle against a heavily modded 335D due to the x-drive's ability to launch and the M3 would just struggle for grip but once it's rolling it'd close the gap.

I did a couple of quick tests in my car and without trying too hard got a 12.84 @ 111.83.

Just looked on dragy and can see "Dave335dx" with a remap and bigger IC managed 12.28 @ 111.42mph

Dave's on the left, mine on the right.
60ft - 1.82s | 2.13s
330ft - 5.13s | 5.6s
1/8 - 7.89s | 8.43s
1/4 - 12.28 | 12.84

The best I can see on Dragy ran a 12.12 @ 113.37 but that had a bit of work on it!

Hooded · 08-21-2018, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 330XDave

I wouldn't ever mess about with the DPF or EGR, ultimately my car is our family car first and foremost. The most I'll ever be doing is a remap, mainly to liven it up around the 30 - 80mph area. At a push I may fit ACS springs just out of intrigue to see what all the fuss is about but at around £700 I think it's pricey and probably will never bother.

yeah that's where the remap will make a big difference on your 330d

Mine was remapped by Simon from Emaps and rolling 30-80 it's 'easily' as quick as a stock 340i, Audi S5 or Golf R in a straight line now and will pull on a stock F30 335d from rolling above 30mph. You won't keep with a well tuned up 335d though (although you won't get blitzed the way your stock car was).

Simon charges around £350 for 325bhp and 660nm through OBD

1966-TR4 · 08-21-2018, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 330XDave

I wouldn't ever mess about with the DPF or EGR, ultimately my car is our family car first and foremost. The most I'll ever be doing is a remap, mainly to liven it up around the 30 - 80mph area. At a push I may fit ACS springs just out of intrigue to see what all the fuss is about but at around £700 I think it's pricey and probably will never bother.

If you don't notice how your current setup wallows around I am not sure the springs are worth your money. Brakes would be, if you are going to remap it, unless you have already got the big brakes.

330XDave · 08-21-2018, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 1966-TR4

If you don't notice how your current setup wallows around I am not sure the springs are worth your money. Brakes would be, if you are going to remap it, unless you have already got the big brakes.

Already got M Sport brakes, as for the suspension, not sure I personally find it bad enough to justify spending £700. Hopefully will be keeping the car for at least the next few years so who knows, in a couple of years I might just fancy giving it a blast.

Soul_Glo · 08-21-2018, 12:35 PM

Aggressive map. Probably a gutted dpf.

Pobsey · 08-21-2018, 01:22 PM

Given the way it sounded as it spooled up, I’m guessing bigger turbo and no cat/dpf

08-21-2018, 02:53 AM	#1
330XDave Major 629 Rep 1,470 Posts Drives: 330d xDrive Touring Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Nottingham, UK iTrader: (0)	Putting things in to perspective I own a 330d Tourer. We all know it's considered a fast car. We all know there are faster cars out there. But there is nothing more demoralising and no better way of you thinking your car is slow than sitting behind a car for a few miles for it to then blow you away on the slip road to a dual carriageway. The culprit was an E92 335d. I did think it would pull away from me due it's lighter weight and a bit more power but it didn't pull away - it blew me away! Even had the gearbox in Sport mode anticipating his antics. There must have been some trickery going off, it sounded like an aircraft taking off and there was a lot of black smoke. Not a cool sound or a nice site. Now where am I best to go for a remap?
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chris-c Lieutenant Colonel 901 Rep 1,801 Posts Drives: F31 340i RWD Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Kent iTrader: (0)	As has been said his car will almost certainly fail a proper MOT unless he spends some time putting his DPF and CAT back in. A remapped 335D shouldn't smoke badly but you can be sure if its smoking like a good-un it's probably had EGR/DPF/CAT all poked
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08-21-2018, 04:49 AM	#6
Hooded Banned 1669 Rep 3,967 Posts Drives: F30 330d M-Sport Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: England iTrader: (0)	Yep sounds like he has more than a simple stage 1 remap going on there too.. your description sounds like he pulled away from you the way an M3 would from a 320d if your not exaggerating it. A modified and well tuned 335d will be one rapid diesel! A remap is calling you now .. although don't expect 320bhp to keep up with that particular 335d you talk about here. I recommend .. http://www.e-maps.co.uk
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chris-c Lieutenant Colonel 901 Rep 1,801 Posts Drives: F31 340i RWD Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Kent iTrader: (0)	I'd expect that 335D would pull away from me too considering the sheer numbers you see from "stage 2" etc. Go get yourself remapped and remember that many remappers will be happy to remove the DPF, blank the EGR or remove the cat and claim "it's okay". I considered decatting the 340 but its not worth the risks to me.
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330XDave Major 629 Rep 1,470 Posts Drives: 330d xDrive Touring Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Nottingham, UK iTrader: (0)	Probably about right to be honest, the M3 v 320d comparison that is. I think e-maps is top of tree for me at the moment.
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chris-c Lieutenant Colonel 901 Rep 1,801 Posts Drives: F31 340i RWD Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Kent iTrader: (0)	I can't comment on the springs as I've got a non X-drive tourer so it's got different springs but a remap will certainly liven up the car a lot.
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lethbridge Captain 470 Rep 787 Posts Drives: 2018 F80 M3 CP YMB Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: United Kingdom iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 BMW M3 CP [10.00]	Not sure I'd start on the more power game (if you really wanted more power you'd already be in a 35d ) - we all know where it will end... this forum combined with copious man-maths has proven that an M3/4 is the only thing to drive down the road to true happiness... But think just how embarrassing that would have been if you, like some of us, had recently arrived at your ultimate destiny as foretold by this very forum and he still had enough grunt to do the same to your M3/4... I had a DMS mapped 35d E90 and it wouldn't have disappeared that quickly so he clearly had some serious trickery at play... Better to immediately back off & pretend you could be can't be bothered to keep up
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Watsey Major General 6431 Rep 8,503 Posts Drives: F31 330D sDrive M Sport Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: On sabbatical. iTrader: (1)	Remap can get the 30d into a range of 320-350bhp i.e. DMS and Evolve without removal of DPF. Make sure you have before and after dyno runs as part of the setup (torque curve) and proof of results. __________________ Current : F31 330sD, remapped, Ohlins Road & Track, Millway camber plates, Quaife LSD, Stoptech brakes + Pagid RSL1 pads all round, Weichers front strut brace, Eibach front & rear anti-roll bars, Michelin MP4S. Last edited by Watsey; 08-21-2018 at 09:17 AM..
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dopper99 Lieutenant General 3533 Rep 11,292 Posts Drives: Golf R Mk8 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (1)	Sell it and buy an M3. Everyone else is. __________________ Current: Golf R Mk8 Previous: Golf R Mk7.5 Mercedes AMG C63 S Coupe F80 M3 Competition Pack
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dopper99 Lieutenant General 3533 Rep 11,292 Posts Drives: Golf R Mk8 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (1)	Some of guys who've been on here since the E90post days may remember dxb335d . He was obsessed with tuning his E92 335d and doing dozens of Santa Pod runs. Here he is up against an E46 M3's. Dont forget both are RWD. he posted some times: 335D 13.5@105mph M3evo 14.0@99mph I'm pretty sure a stock F3x would do a 13.5 (although does have xdrive). __________________ Current: Golf R Mk8 Previous: Golf R Mk7.5 Mercedes AMG C63 S Coupe F80 M3 Competition Pack
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chris-c Lieutenant Colonel 901 Rep 1,801 Posts Drives: F31 340i RWD Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Kent iTrader: (0)	There have been a few people with F30's and F31's hitting santa pod both stock and remapped. A stock F30 335D (x) managed 13.2 @ 104mph. A remapped F31 335D (x) managed 12.76 @ 107mph. An M3 might struggle against a heavily modded 335D due to the x-drive's ability to launch and the M3 would just struggle for grip but once it's rolling it'd close the gap. I did a couple of quick tests in my car and without trying too hard got a 12.84 @ 111.83. Just looked on dragy and can see "Dave335dx" with a remap and bigger IC managed 12.28 @ 111.42mph Dave's on the left, mine on the right. 60ft - 1.82s \| 2.13s 330ft - 5.13s \| 5.6s 1/8 - 7.89s \| 8.43s 1/4 - 12.28 \| 12.84 The best I can see on Dragy ran a 12.12 @ 113.37 but that had a bit of work on it! Last edited by chris-c; 08-21-2018 at 06:34 AM..
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Soul_Glo Major General 13361 Rep 7,484 Posts Drives: G20 Join Date: May 2013 Location: Manhattan, NYC iTrader: (1)	Aggressive map. Probably a gutted dpf.
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Pobsey Lieutenant 185 Rep 475 Posts Drives: 2019 F31 330d / 2010 e87 118d Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Given the way it sounded as it spooled up, I’m guessing bigger turbo and no cat/dpf
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