[cooticooti16]

Is this even possible? No BMW takes a trophy this year? Is this the beginning of the end?

Not that we use these metrics to buy our cars, but I'd expect a 340i or an M2 at least...

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-today-feature

[justinnum1]

Very possible, BMW's are just OK now. I will buy another but i can no longer tell people looking at a benz or audi that the BMW is better.

[Billfitz]

What will be telling is three years from now how many end up on the Consumer Reports 'Used cars to avoid' list.

[cooticooti16]

I was a complete "hater" on the F30, but it is still an incredible car.

Oh well. Sales over specialty.

[435MSport6Speed]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

What will be telling is three years from now how many end up on the Consumer Reports 'Used cars to avoid' list.

I'll bet the Alpha gets there.

[kern417]

If the stupid camaro would have just chilled out with all the performance improvements, we might have gotten on there. all the other german brands made it. but imo the list is pretty predictable and aligns with what every other reviewer has been saying for the past 3 years. i'm moreso surprised that the ats-v/cts-v didn't make it either.

[jeffc83]

Not that it matters much but the MY that most of us are driving, were pretty much considered "winners" if you will; my model year for example - https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...vs-and-hybrids

We've done good and who knows moving forward. As someone else mentioned, I see Alfa at the top of "used cars to avoid" for quite some time:/

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by cooticooti16

Is this even possible? No BMW takes a trophy this year? Is this the beginning of the end?

Not that we use these metrics to buy our cars, but I'd expect a 340i or an M2 at least...

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-today-feature

I would not expect the 340 to make the list--no 3 series made it last year, so there's no reason for the car to be a year older and go back on the list. Just more evidence BMW needs to step up its game for the G20, or just drop the "Ultimate Driving Machine" marketing materials...

[wilbur_the_goose]

I have the Honda Civic Sport. It's sweet, and I drive it as much as the BMW F30 I also own. Both are red

[Anthony3DHeli]

Well, except for the F90 M5 which is very new and have a press embargo until December 5th, no new driver's car from BMW this year, just update's!

[2000Z3M]

you dont think money will buy you a spot in the top ten? LOL. These are 100% pay to play, ever see the multi page chevy ads?

[BimmerBoomer]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

Very possible, BMW's are just OK now. I will buy another but i can no longer tell people looking at a benz or audi that the BMW is better.

I bought an Audi after 21 years and six straight BMWs. I'm looking forward to the g20 iterations, maybe something like an M440i xDrive in three or four years. Who knows I might even go for another M3. But right now I really feel that the F30/32/80/82 range is "me too" at best as a driver's car. But I do think that C&D's Alfa Giulia recommendation is a bit of a reach, even if - as they say - they aren't Consumer Reports.

[xantdieselx]

Originally Posted by 2000Z3M

you dont think money will buy you a spot in the top ten? LOL. These are 100% pay to play, ever see the multi page chevy ads?

Right! Sorry but Chevy interiors are garbage. I don't care how much performance you get for the money. You still have to look at all that cheap plastic every time you drive it.

[goj]

Car and driver's list makes no difference to me if I enjoy my car

I like the fact you can get a good driving car from many makes!

[insanecoder]

Originally Posted by cooticooti16

Is this even possible? No BMW takes a trophy this year? Is this the beginning of the end?

Not that we use these metrics to buy our cars, but I'd expect a 340i or an M2 at least...

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-today-feature

First off they are mixing all the segments and categories
Secondly I personally wouldnt even touch any of the ones for so many reasons on that list except for the boxster and only because its just impractical

Im sorry but those guys are OUT OF TOUCH
its a bit of a joke

[insanecoder]

Originally Posted by xantdieselx

Right! Sorry but Chevy interiors are garbage. I don't care how much performance you get for the money. You still have to look at all that cheap plastic every time you drive it.

The cheap plastic isnt the only reason to pick a bimmer over a camaro
this has been covered elsewhere

[xantdieselx]

Originally Posted by insanecoder

The cheap plastic isnt the only reason to pick a bimmer over a camaro
this has been covered elsewhere

For me it is. I like both the Camaro and the Mustang, especially the exterior styling, but the single biggest reason I would never buy one is the interior. So your reasoning is just like everyone else's...based on opinion.

[jmg]

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. The BMW 3-Series has been on top for so long, it is now en vogue to demote it in favor of the young hot new girl in town, the Alpha. Admittedly, everyone has caught up to the 3-series just as the 3-series makes a small step away from a driver's car, to a rider's car. IMHO the 3 series is still a great car, but for the time being the cards are stacked against it while BMW figures out how to still generate sizable revenue while still not alienate a shrinking consumer base: the driving enthusiast.

[wilbur_the_goose]

Heck - the '18 Honda Accord is significantly improved, and IMHO, very much BMW-inspired.

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by Jrboulder

It's literally the first time in my lifetime a BMW hasn't made the C&D 10 Best list.

Born after 1991?

[RoundelM3]

Remember that car magazine reviews are based on short-term driving experiences with any given make and model. I personally prefer to form my own opinions based on longer-term ownership and could really care less what some Detroit-based car mag thinks about my favorite ride. I'm happy with it and that's all that matters. I'm sure there are owners of other makes who feel the same way.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by roundel335

Remember that car magazine reviews are based on short-term driving experiences with any given make and model. I personally prefer to form my own opinions based on longer-term ownership and could really care less what some Detroit-based car mag thinks about my favorite ride. I'm happy with it and that's all that matters. I'm sure there are owners of other makes who feel the same way.

I have felt similarly for a long time, and you see more and more car reviewers telling you to ignore spec sheets, lap times, and comparisons like these. I deliberately did not test drive any other cars before i purchased mine, because i knew I liked it so I got what I liked. There might be other cars with slightly more power, torque, grip, steering feel, whatever, but this car is great for how i drive and looks the part. I'm just no that indecisive that I have to have the latest and greatest or keep comparing my car to others.

But even with all that in mind, i doubt that my car is winning any awards, so i'm not surprised that we're not in the top 10. The playing field is fairly flat in this era. Every car company has a 300+ hp commuter that gets 25+mpg. and BMW isn't bringing the heat like they're trying to compete with that. They just got buried in the crowd. Their only saving grace is rwd, 6 speed, and not american or a br-z.