[just blaze]

I was leaning towards Ohlins R&T coilovers but wanted to see if anyone here has any feedback or even a set installed on Bilstein B16 coilovers. Couldn't really find much info on them here.

[AndrewC1989]

i know @chris.praeger has the b16 installed

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1420969

also i've seen a few posts of people complaining about the R&T

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1425894

[just blaze]

Originally Posted by andrewc89

i know @chris.praeger has the b16 installed

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1420969

also i've seen a few posts of people complaining about the R&T

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1425894

Thanks for that. I can't seem to find much info on the Bilstein B16. Price point for them seem to fall between M-perf & KW V3 and Dinan/KW HAS kits.

[Saanen]

I had the Ohlins R&T installed 3 weeks back and love them so far...I had the spring rates lowered 15% to 80N/mm front and 160N/mm rear (vs 90 and 190 respectively) as I am mainly a street and back road guy.

So far no noise, as quiet as stock and amazing....easy to adjust from 5 clicks (track) 10 clicks (back road/canyon) and 15 clicks (street)...takes 2 minutes.

So I would give them a 5 star rating so far!!!!

[dvas]

I've had the Bilstein B16 PSS10 coilovers installed on my 2017 M2 for about 5,000 miles now. I drive the car on street and track (about ten days this year) and my suspension setup includes the Bilsteins, GC camber plates (running at 2.7 deg) and SC2 tires.

Overall - A good, quality option at a price point materially lower than the Ohlins R&T.

Ride - A little stiffer than the stock setup over uneven pavement but I've been living with it without too much complaining from the girlfriend - and I live in Manhattan. Generally, l keep them at the softest settings for the street and crank them up a bit for track days. Over wavy pavement, there is much better control than the stock setup - with the stock suspension the tires tended to bounce out of control in some situations. The Bilsteins remind of the very controlled ride in some of the Porsches I have driven.

Quietness - So far both the B16s and camber plates have not made a sound. Thankfully, the "swoosh" sound from the stock shocks when going over speed bumps is also gone.

Adjustability - Single adjustment knob for compression/rebound ratio makes life easier for someone like me who is new to coilover setup. They are located at the bottom of the shocks so a jack is necessary to reach them, but otherwise easy to adjust. Nice solid and clear clicks for each setting.

[just blaze]

Originally Posted by dvas

I've had the Bilstein B16 PSS10 coilovers installed on my 2017 M2 for about 5,000 miles now. I drive the car on street and track (about ten days this year) and my suspension setup includes the Bilsteins, GC camber plates (running at 2.7 deg) and SC2 tires.

Overall - A good, quality option at a price point materially lower than the Ohlins R&T.

Ride - A little stiffer than the stock setup over uneven pavement but I've been living with it without too much complaining from the girlfriend - and I live in Manhattan. Generally, l keep them at the softest settings for the street and crank them up a bit for track days. Over wavy pavement, there is much better control than the stock setup - with the stock suspension the tires tended to bounce out of control in some situations. The Bilsteins remind of the very controlled ride in some of the Porsches I have driven.

Quietness - So far both the B16s and camber plates have not made a sound. Thankfully, the "swoosh" sound from the stock shocks when going over speed bumps is also gone.

Adjustability - Single adjustment knob for compression/rebound ratio makes life easier for someone like me who is new to coilover setup. They are located at the bottom of the shocks so a jack is necessary to reach them, but otherwise easy to adjust. Nice solid and clear clicks for each setting.

Appreciate the feedback. This helps me make my decision a lot easier. The price point is also definitely a plus.

[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by andrewc89

i know @chris.praeger has the b16 installed

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1420969

also i've seen a few posts of people complaining about the R&T

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1425894

Hard to determine if the noise is an installation or product related. Never had any issues with Ohlins we installed in-house.

[JL1]

Originally Posted by Saanen

I had the Ohlins R&T installed 3 weeks back and love them so far...I had the spring rates lowered 15% to 80N/mm front and 160N/mm rear (vs 90 and 190 respectively) as I am mainly a street and back road guy.

So far no noise, as quiet as stock and amazing....easy to adjust from 5 clicks (track) 10 clicks (back road/canyon) and 15 clicks (street)...takes 2 minutes.

So I would give them a 5 star rating so far!!!!

Hey mate,

You still happy with the suspension? are you lowered much? is the car more comfortable than standard ?

[Daleb]

I have B16’s/pss10’s on the way for mine. Ran V3’s on my last car so it will be nice to compare the 2 brands. Adjustment will definitely be easier on the bilsteins. Most likely pair them up with Millway camber plates at some point too.

[Saanen]

Originally Posted by JL1

Hey mate,

You still happy with the suspension? are you lowered much? is the car more comfortable than standard ?

Thanks for following up...the short answer is 1) Yes...2) a little (ie 1 cm) 3) No

The longer answer is that I love the Ohlins and believe they are a superior suspension for the M2...but....even with my softer springs (than the standard Ohlins M2 offering ) of 80N/mm front and 160N/mm rear and at 20 clicks (the softest setting) my suspension is slightly stiffer than stock. Actually I think it is about the same as stock when new, but when I compared my new set up with a friends M2 with 8,500 miles on it, his seemed a little more compliant and softer riding than mine. That said, mine are of course new and my car still only has 3,000 on it. The reason I am still loving the Ohlins is they have such a fricking 'stuck to the road' feeling...no more bounce, they just seem to absorb road bumps, particularly the medium and larger road irregularities which can really upset the chassis in a turn. So I love my Ohlins but if you want a system that is softer I would go with the Dinan or I would order the Ohlins with 70N/mm front and 140-150N/mm rear which Jake at Ohlins said the valving can handle....he said you can go up to a 25% lower spring rate (from standard) before you start to defeat the valving.
Either way, this car rocks....hitting the track for the first time in 2 weeks...hmmm, back to 5 clicks settings is my plan for track duty....

[gsrbri]

How easy/hard is it to access the adjustment knobs on the R&Ts?

[Bazgab]

Originally Posted by Saanen

That said, mine are of course new and my car still only has 3,000 on it. The reason I am still loving the Ohlins is they have such a fricking 'stuck to the road' feeling...no more bounce, they just seem to absorb road bumps, particularly the medium and larger road irregularities which can really upset the chassis in a turn.

That sounds good to me. Looking to buy a set of the R&T late this year and I don't mind the stiffness of the stock suspension and can tolerate some more stiffness as long as the damping is improved. My biggest issue with the suspension is how it gets those little bounces on rougher road surfaces and it tends to upset the car so that you have to fight with it to stay on your line.

[Saanen]

Originally Posted by Bazgab

That sounds good to me. Looking to buy a set of the R&T late this year and I don't mind the stiffness of the stock suspension and can tolerate some more stiffness as long as the damping is improved. My biggest issue with the suspension is how it gets those little bounces on rougher road surfaces and it tends to upset the car so that you have to fight with it to stay on your line.

You are gonna be a happy boy....that is where the Ohlins shine....really impressive how unflappable they make the suspension.

[Saanen]

Originally Posted by gsrbri

How easy/hard is it to access the adjustment knobs on the R&Ts?

It takes 5 minutes; I put a towel on the garage floor (or if I am out driving I bring a towel) and lay on my back, takes 20 seconds to locate the lil knobs and click away...fronts click easily, the backs take a little more finger strength...but it takes all of 5 minutes and you can go from 3-5 clicks which is exceptionally stiff (and therefore even flatter in turns and quicker responsiveness)....to 20 clicks, ready for the road....If I was going out for a morning of backroads I would swap it to 12 clicks, which is a nice compromise.

[gsrbri]

Thank you! They are being installed and corner balanced/aligned this week! Can't wait

[JL1]

Originally Posted by Saanen

Thanks for following up...the short answer is 1) Yes...2) a little (ie 1 cm) 3) No

The longer answer is that I love the Ohlins and believe they are a superior suspension for the M2...but....even with my softer springs (than the standard Ohlins M2 offering ) of 80N/mm front and 160N/mm rear and at 20 clicks (the softest setting) my suspension is slightly stiffer than stock. Actually I think it is about the same as stock when new, but when I compared my new set up with a friends M2 with 8,500 miles on it, his seemed a little more compliant and softer riding than mine. That said, mine are of course new and my car still only has 3,000 on it. The reason I am still loving the Ohlins is they have such a fricking 'stuck to the road' feeling...no more bounce, they just seem to absorb road bumps, particularly the medium and larger road irregularities which can really upset the chassis in a turn. So I love my Ohlins but if you want a system that is softer I would go with the Dinan or I would order the Ohlins with 70N/mm front and 140-150N/mm rear which Jake at Ohlins said the valving can handle....he said you can go up to a 25% lower spring rate (from standard) before you start to defeat the valving.
Either way, this car rocks....hitting the track for the first time in 2 weeks...hmmm, back to 5 clicks settings is my plan for track duty....

hmmm that's very interesting about the stiffness compared to stock. Do you think that the 70/150 combo would make it perfect? Why haven't you changed the spring yourself to 70/150 ?

how much lower than standard is your car? So your saying it rides as good as standard roughly lowered?

She is a bit of Kanga to buy this kit so yeah just wanting to make sure i'll be happy with it. Think i'm a 70/150 guy though.

[Saanen]

Originally Posted by JL1

hmmm that's very interesting about the stiffness compared to stock. Do you think that the 70/150 combo would make it perfect? Why haven't you changed the spring yourself to 70/150 ?

how much lower than standard is your car? So your saying it rides as good as standard roughly lowered?

She is a bit of Kanga to buy this kit so yeah just wanting to make sure i'll be happy with it. Think i'm a 70/150 guy though.

I think the 70/140 or 150 ought to be just about perfect...I have not changed it yet as I am just getting used to the current set up and finally getting a track day on the 30th of this month (plus I have already sunk a fair amount of $ into my lil Black Beast, so I need to let my piggy bank re charge a bit)....plus I am hoping you will go with the 70/145 setup and let me know how it rides...then I'll do it too. My goal is to be able to dial it from firmer than stock for the track and then dial it back to 18 or 20 and be softer than stock...hmmm.
On ride height, ..it put me approx 1 cm lower than stock.

So what exactly does..." She is a bit of Kanga really mean????"?????

[JL1]

Originally Posted by Saanen

I think the 70/140 or 150 ought to be just about perfect...I have not changed it yet as I am just getting used to the current set up and finally getting a track day on the 30th of this month (plus I have already sunk a fair amount of $ into my lil Black Beast, so I need to let my piggy bank re charge a bit)....plus I am hoping you will go with the 70/145 setup and let me know how it rides...then I'll do it too. My goal is to be able to dial it from firmer than stock for the track and then dial it back to 18 or 20 and be softer than stock...hmmm.
On ride height, ..it put me approx 1 cm lower than stock.

So what exactly does..." She is a bit of Kanga really mean????"?????

Haha, it means she is a bit of cash, 'Kanga' to an Aussie means cash or money.

[JL1]

Originally Posted by Saanen

I think the 70/140 or 150 ought to be just about perfect...I have not changed it yet as I am just getting used to the current set up and finally getting a track day on the 30th of this month (plus I have already sunk a fair amount of $ into my lil Black Beast, so I need to let my piggy bank re charge a bit)....plus I am hoping you will go with the 70/145 setup and let me know how it rides...then I'll do it too. My goal is to be able to dial it from firmer than stock for the track and then dial it back to 18 or 20 and be softer than stock...hmmm.
On ride height, ..it put me approx 1 cm lower than stock.

So what exactly does..." She is a bit of Kanga really mean????"?????

Hey mate,

Sorry not sure if i asked previously or not? What brand springs are you using ?

[Saanen]

Originally Posted by JL1

Hey mate,

Sorry not sure if i asked previously or not? What brand springs are you using ?

Front are Ohlins 80 N/mm....and rears are Eibach which run in lbs/inch; the installer ordered them and said they are 850 lb/inch or approx 150 N/mm


48010-19 200mm 65mm 70 N/mm // 400 lbs/in // 7.1 kg/mm
48010-23 200mm 65mm 80 N/mm // 458 lbs/in // 8.2 kg/mm
48010-27 200mm 65mm 90 N/mm // 515 lbs/in // 9.2 kg/mm
48010-31 200mm 65mm 100 N/mm // 572 lbs/in // 10.2 kg/mm
48010-35 200mm 65mm 110 N/mm // 630 lbs/in // 11.2 kg/mm
48010-39 200mm 65mm 120 N/mm // 687 lbs/in // 12.2 kg/mm
48010-43 200mm 65mm 130 N/mm // 744 lbs/in // 13.3 kg/mm
48010-47 200mm 65mm 140 N/mm // 801 lbs/in // 14.3 kg/mm
48010-55 200mm 65mm 160 N/mm // 915 lbs/in // 16.3 kg/mm
48010-63 200mm 65mm 180 N/mm // 1030 lbs/in // 18.4 kg/mm
48010-71 200mm 65mm 200 N/mm // 1144 lbs/in // 20.4 kg/mm

[JL1]

Originally Posted by Saanen

Front are Ohlins 80 N/mm....and rears are Eibach which run in lbs/inch; the installer ordered them and said they are 850 lb/inch or approx 150 N/mm


48010-19 200mm 65mm 70 N/mm // 400 lbs/in // 7.1 kg/mm
48010-23 200mm 65mm 80 N/mm // 458 lbs/in // 8.2 kg/mm
48010-27 200mm 65mm 90 N/mm // 515 lbs/in // 9.2 kg/mm
48010-31 200mm 65mm 100 N/mm // 572 lbs/in // 10.2 kg/mm
48010-35 200mm 65mm 110 N/mm // 630 lbs/in // 11.2 kg/mm
48010-39 200mm 65mm 120 N/mm // 687 lbs/in // 12.2 kg/mm
48010-43 200mm 65mm 130 N/mm // 744 lbs/in // 13.3 kg/mm
48010-47 200mm 65mm 140 N/mm // 801 lbs/in // 14.3 kg/mm
48010-55 200mm 65mm 160 N/mm // 915 lbs/in // 16.3 kg/mm
48010-63 200mm 65mm 180 N/mm // 1030 lbs/in // 18.4 kg/mm
48010-71 200mm 65mm 200 N/mm // 1144 lbs/in // 20.4 kg/mm

who's part numbers are these? Ohlins?