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05-09-2008, 06:58 PM | #1 | |
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Caddy CTS-V storms Nordschleife in 7:59.32
PRESS RELEASE: 2009 CTS-VBlisters Nurburgring Breaks 8-minute barrier - potentially the fastest documented lap time for a production sedan Quote:
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05-09-2008, 07:04 PM | #2 |
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05-09-2008, 10:28 PM | #5 |
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"The car itself had no performance modifications outside of those planned for consumer production, which is scheduled to begin this fall."
Well all I can say is that I see a roll cage in the picture and who knows what other mods this car might have. Or maybe caddys will come with that standard???? |
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05-09-2008, 10:31 PM | #6 |
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Yup. More proof that they're back. The CTS is a player - and not just this one, either.
I saw the CTS-V at the New York show in a kind of gun metal grey, and damn!, it looked good. Don't get me wrong, your M3 deserves your love. But you have to admit that Cadillac has come a long way in a fairly short time. This car looks good, will put up good mileage numbers, and will be really fast in everyday driving - especially with the automatic. I bet the Caddy comes in at an aggressive price, as well. What times do you figure the new automatic M3 will put up on the 'Ring while completely stock? 8:07? 8:09? Gotta hand it to GM. I'm looking for more to come. This has to be good for all of us. Comparison tests to (inevitably) follow - in which the M3 will do fine. Bruce |
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05-09-2008, 10:49 PM | #7 |
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I'm lovin the power dome! Wonder where I've seen that before?!
This car looks awesome, but common, setting a Lap Time with a Roll Cage and Sparco's is quite misleading |
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05-10-2008, 03:48 AM | #10 |
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GM has indeed come a long way ... GM has figured out that you can't become competitive with BMW by aping them, but realizing your own strengths and building upon them. GM's strengths is their V8s, which is one of the best in the world, if not THE best, not because of power, but because it can be done with a remarkably simple design, and without the complexity (with the increased cost) of comparable DOHC V8s.
Now, GM is finally building the proper car around it that has more than 2 doors (read: not a Corvette). The CTS-V may not offer the pure feedback and balance of a BMW, but when the dust settles, you can never say GM brought a knife to a gunfight ... more like they brought a flamethrower :P Remember, SAE certified numbers are still pending, and look at the final numbers for the ZR1. While this version of the LSA has some differences, I would not be terribly surprised if the final horsepower numbers for this car approach 570 hp. Think about it ... a 550+ hp supercharged V8-equipped RWD V8 sedan all for the price of a loaded 550i. What a steal ... |
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05-10-2008, 07:38 AM | #11 |
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05-10-2008, 09:10 AM | #14 |
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Of course you're entitled to your opinion. I was just asking exactly what you meant. And i guess basically you're saying that Cadillac's and GM as a whole are not good in your opinion. Granted that image wise and performance overall is not as good as BMW but they've been catching up and reliability and quality in Cadillacs have been very good for quite a while now as well.
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05-10-2008, 11:18 AM | #16 |
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On many business trips I prefer to take the Caddy CTS. Drives well but feels like I'm boating. Either way, this is good news for those who love Caddys. I doubt we will see much of these cars on the road, I think.
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05-10-2008, 11:58 AM | #18 |
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Nice time. The Ring regression work predicts 7:57 based solely on power to weight. The M3 prediction is 8:04 (actual 8:05).
Good observation about the roll cage. This may or may not be a standard at the Ring for testing production vehicles. Safety first! If so it is all fair. Either way such a structure significantly stiffens the chassis and would produce a measureable benefit. Lastly do note this is a top notch race driver with some accolades under his belt. Horst's Sportauto time, which for better or worse has become the benchmark, will clearly be quite a bit slower. Notice how BMW does not quote the times they have obtained with their own drivers. I'd love to hear the number for the DCT car with such a driver. |
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