[skipraider]

With all the talk of the ACS vs H&R springs, I think we need a thread of how they look. I still want mine doing, mainly for looks but want to keep the comfort. The thing is, i've seen pictures where the ACS gives a nice drop, and ones where the front still looks high.

Here's an example where both cars have ACS fitted, but look totally different heights.





If you have springs, post a picture. Maybe add when you bought the springs too, as the ACS springs seem to have changed over the years.

[Bee Pee]

ACS springs are re-badged Eibachs...check out respective TUV certs

[Smee]

HR Sport lowering springs part number 28832-1

both 19s and 20s

[skipraider]

Originally Posted by Bee Pee

ACS springs are re-badged Eibachs...check out respective TUV certs

Apparently they are different:

Originally Posted by Lorcan

They're different. On a 330dx/335dx AC Schnitzer springs are 235mm long at the front, Eibach are 250mm.

We sell both

Originally Posted by Smee

HR Sport lowering springs part number 28832-1

both 19s and 20s

Looks very nice on the 20"s

[brtttt]

I've heard ACS are more for handling and H&R for appearance.
So for me when I get around getting some it has to be ACS.
Similar to the 20" wheel debate

[CazuaLLUK]

ACS springs, 19" rep 405 wheels

7mm front spacers, 5mm rear spacers

[Bee Pee]

Originally Posted by skipraider

Apparently they are different:

Maybe so on F3x but comparing ACS and Eibach F2x TUV certs - they're identical, apart from the price tag.

ACS badging adding nearly 100% up on Eibachs....

Originally Posted by Bertz

I've heard ACS are more for handling and H&R for appearance.
So for me when I get around getting some it has to be ACS.

Maybe so on here in UK, but elsewhere in EU & USA, H&R are considered superior to Eibachs/ACS.

Had H&R's on my M135i - superb springs.

[Jamin320]

320d on ACS

[Dave1963]

HR Sport lowering springs part number 28832-1, here too...

[CazuaLLUK]

Originally Posted by Dave1963

HR Sport lowering springs part number 28832-1, here too...

So nice!

[sahajesh]

Originally Posted by Bee Pee

Maybe so on F3x but comparing ACS and Eibach F2x TUV certs - they're identical, apart from the price tag.

ACS badging adding nearly 100% up on Eibachs....

Maybe so on here in UK, but elsewhere in EU & USA, H&R are considered superior to Eibachs/ACS.

Had H&R's on my M135i - superb springs.

Do they have different performance characteristics or same everywhere and it's the UK road experience that makes H&R "worse" in the UK?

[UKF30]

Originally Posted by Bee Pee

ACS springs are re-badged Eibachs...check out respective TUV certs

Yea that's right and that's what I heard too but ACS followers will deny

Here is mine with Eibach pro kit

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Bee Pee

Maybe so on F3x but comparing ACS and Eibach F2x TUV certs - they're identical, apart from the price tag.

ACS badging adding nearly 100% up on Eibachs....

Maybe so on here in UK, but elsewhere in EU & USA, H&R are considered superior to Eibachs/ACS.

Had H&R's on my M135i - superb springs.

What does a TUV certificate actually cover? Is it exact specification or could it be materials, manufacturing, quality control etc?

And would they need a different certificate for each and every separate spring that's produced, or would one certification cover a range of springs of slightly different specs but fundamentally for the same range of cars for example?

[a803sgo]

H&R sport springs and spacers on standard M-sport struts.

[matty81]

Originally Posted by UKF30

Yea that's right and that's what I heard too but ACS followers will deny

Here is mine with Eibach pro kit

How do they handle mate? And are they very firm?

[UKF30]

Originally Posted by matty81

How do they handle mate? And are they very firm?

Handling good and they are not firm or rough , very comfortable it's like springs haven't been changed .

I am very happy and recommend Eibach Pro kit , here is a link of what I bought and I got alignment and laser tracking done afterwards .

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Eibach-Pro...8AAOSwJ7RYUtdQ

Very helpful company .

[CazuaLLUK]

Originally Posted by Jamin320

320d on ACS

Really nice drop for ACS

Also BrennanF30 I can't believe you have not posted yet?

[Gixerste]

[QUOTE=Bee Pee;21584754]Maybe so on F3x but comparing ACS and Eibach F2x TUV certs - they're identical, apart from the price tag.

ACS badging adding nearly 100% up on Eibachs....


Had H&R's on my M135i - superb springs.[/QUOTE

I've had both ACS and Eibach springs and whilst the Eibach's are very good, the ACS springs were better, both for handling and ride quality. Also the warranty with ACS is better.

[Bee Pee]

Originally Posted by Gixerste

I've had both ACS and Eibach springs and whilst the Eibach's are very good, the ACS springs were better, both for handling and ride quality. Also the warranty with ACS is better.

Eibachs and ACS on the same car ?

Either way, good to know and if piece of mind is important to people, then I guess ACS warranty is the big plus.

[Bee Pee]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

What does a TUV certificate actually cover? Is it exact specification or could it be materials, manufacturing, quality control etc?

There's details about wire size, no of coils, diameter, lengths etc so enough to compare different products from different suppliers.

Originally Posted by Tengocity

And would they need a different certificate for each and every separate spring that's produced, or would one certification cover a range of springs of slightly different specs but fundamentally for the same range of cars for example?

Sometimes yes sometimes no - usually TUV cert for a product will cover a range of variants.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Bee Pee

There's details about wire size, no of coils, diameter, lengths etc so enough to compare different products from different suppliers.

Sometimes yes sometimes no - usually TUV cert for a product will cover a range of variants.

So it could be that the one TUV certificate covers quite a number of variants that EIbach make for each model of F3x?

If so then feasible that the Eibach springs are different to ACS ones but covered by same certification.

[Smee]

i think this has kinda gone off thread a little. wasnt it meant to be just pictures so people can see the difference?

i said it before and ill say it again. ACS, Eibach, H&R etc they must all be similar if one was night and day / chalk and cheese better to the other then the rest would follow suit and have something designed in and around the same way. a company like H&R havent got as big as they have by selling complete trash.

do the ACS ride better if what Lorcan tells me then yea they probably do but the difference wont or i cant believe would be night and day as everyone man and their dog would all swap to them.

think of it like the Auto view tyre reviews. Michelin win every year and Yokohama came 6th last year (3rd and 4th the 2 years before that). the percentage difference from 1st to 6th was 3%!!!! marginal not even worth worrying about and it will be the same with these springs. ACS might ride slightly better the H&R might be slightly lower.

what annoys me is seeing these post about H&R being the worst ride but yet no one actually knows if said person who had an issue was using Sport or Super Sport springs. if your comparing ACS to Super Sport then you might as well compare a coilover to a Brick with a hole in it!!