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True F10 weight vs True G30 weight.
Now that Car and Driver has done a full test of the new 540i in a comparison test, I went back and compared the weight of these cars since they're an apples to apples comparison. 2011 535i rear wheel drive with the dynamic handling package and 19" staggered rims/tires weighed: 4,090 lbs 2017 540i rear wheel drive with the dynamic handling package and 19" staggered rims/tires weighed: 4,071 lbs Which means the new version of the same car weighs only 19 lbs less. What happened to all of BMW's claims on weight reduction of over 100 lbs This made me start to think of how truly of an ALL NEW platform does the G30 have over the F10? Both cars dimensions are almost identical. 0.2 inch difference in wheelbase is negligible. The difference in length can be attributed to bumper designs.
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I would say go drive one back to back with the last gen, the differences are noticeable. |
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Something like the UK 520d & 530d standard specification seem to be showing about 80kg weight saving, under the EU unladen weight standard. |
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Yeah, I've noticed and have been annoyed by this as well. What's the point of developing an "all new" car if it weighs in at pretty much the same weight as the old version? (Seriously, 20 lbs is nothing to write home about -- it's a rounding error on a 2 ton vehicle.)
Even 100 lbs wasn't what was needed in terms of producing something approaching the "Ultimate Driving Machine." |
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F10 vs G30 built same way there's hardly any weight difference. |
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Correct, I noticed it too - there isn't much difference in weight between the F10 and the G30. In general, they are very similar cars...
By the way, if you go from a 550i RWD to the M550ix, you get a heavier car with a worse weight balance (because of the x-drive), and there's no M550i RWD. |
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It's gotten slightly bigger but slightly lighter. It's just words on a page. What matters is how it feels right?
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Something is not adding up, if you guys are saying there is little in the weight saving, "like for like". |
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For me it's interresting and cool that BMW 540i xDrive has -35kg than 440i xDrive.. I like it But I also hope there are not some material savings on the most important car parts.
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If this were a simple mid cycle refresh or something, we could forgive BMW for the negligible difference in weight. But this was supposedly a brand new build, completely different than the F10. I'm not seeing or feeling it.
Weight is the enemy of dynamic handling and sportiness. No amount of electronics can make up for plain physics. |
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Take the standard specification for the UK F10 530d @ 1795 kg; G30 530d @ 1715kg. A saving of 80 kgs, (176 lbs), that is not a negligible difference. |
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It's like any sale in any shop. 'Up to 70% discount' means one or two things at that price but the rest nowhere near.
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What I don't follow, what is being said doesn't align with BMW EU figures. The F10 535i is rated as unladen EU, at 1775 kgs and the G30 540i is 1670 kgs. That is 105 kgs shaved off the standard vehicle weight, for the comparable model. We know extras are changing the scales, but if the claim is "the same options/packages", why isn't the saving showing up. There is over 230 lbs to play with, according to the official EU rating. |
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It's hard to imagine a few sensors, circuit boards or cameras (which would account for a lot of the optional extras on a standard car) adding up to a 100kg or so.... I grant that extra motors for things like power boots, fully electric seats will weigh more
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Maybe they sandbagged the 540 and that's why it handled like it did.
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