04-27-2016, 04:04 PM | #1 |
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trying to custom order N20 8AT
I've put an order for 228i 8AT and I wanted the non SULEV N20 in it, but the dealer is telling me that N20 only comes wit the manual trans. I would have loved to have the manual but my wife is going to use the car as DD and prefers the 8AT.
Does anyone know if what the sales associate at the dealership is telling me is correct? A friend of a friend is telling me that they were able to order N20 with 8AT. Btw, I live in Washington. Thanks! |
04-27-2016, 06:14 PM | #3 |
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If you are going to do extensive tuning, you will have more headroom with the N20 vs. the N26.
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04-27-2016, 06:27 PM | #6 |
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Well I have the Dinan S1 on my SULEV N26 and it's great, fast but refined. (See other mods in sig). However, if you are serious enough about tuning to want either a Dinan CAI tune (S2) or an intercooler tune (S3) or the S4 tune that Dinan are offering with a Big Turbo (all of which apply to the F22 and more or less to the 228i as well as the M235i), that's where it's an advantage to have the N20 because an emissions-controlled engine is not the best development platform for tuners, for obvious reasons.
Never fear, though; the N26 with the Dinan S1 is an extremely quick and well-balanced sports coupe for the street.
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04-27-2016, 06:38 PM | #7 | |
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I like your set up, I think I am going to have something similar to your car. Mime will be M with THP. |
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04-27-2016, 06:44 PM | #8 |
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Yes, the THP is indispensable if you want to get the most out of your 228, both in terms of handling and performance. Without it, you've still got a luxury coupe with sporty manners but with it, you've got a dedicated sports coupe that, with a tune, can punch WAY above its weight. The 8AT is a superb transmission, by the way; I am so glad I decided to make it the first AT I've owned in 17 years.
If you find the car at all floaty or soft, I recommend Dinan springs, bump stops and Shockware very highly. Not sure if your wife will love the stiffer ride as much as you will, though; mine doesn't.
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They were available prior to MY 2016.
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I have my M5 to play with on the track...I'd still want to try the 228i on the track though. I was really impressed with the car on my test drive at the dealer. For some odd reason I didn't like the M235i...and I drove the 228i second. |
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The 228i is arguably better balanced and sprightlier than the M235i but it needs a tune to put its 0-60 time significantly under 5 sec. Be careful about doing the Shockware without the springs; its effect can only be fully realised with them. FWIW, the springs/bump stops are the most transformational mod I've done so you may not be able to resist, eventually. In stock form the car has too much body roll for me and too much understeer. The tune, combined with the springs, really wakes the car up and puts all the power to the road. In stock form it's a great car; with a little judicious modding it's spectacular, as long as you have the THP.
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Btw, are the springs on the THP different then the none THP car? |
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I think Shockware is only offered for the adaptive suspension (which is part of the THP package) and not, interestingly, for any version of the M235i. With the stock springs and adaptive suspension it will retune the shocks and dial out some of the dive and roll, but it wasn't enough for me without combining it with performance springs. The Dinan site acknowledges this.
I don't know if the springs themselves are any different on the non-THP version of the stock 228i, probably not; it's the versatility of the programming options for the shocks and steering that really makes the difference. Since I could not put it nearly as well myself, here is how the THP was explained when it was announced, here: Quote:
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The labor for the springs is quoted at about 8h, that seems a bit pricy. It shouldn't take more that 2 to 3 hours. |
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04-28-2016, 08:58 PM | #18 |
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If I am not mistaken, the M Sport version of the 228i has option 704, which is M Sport passive suspension. If you add the THP to that, the 704 option is deleted. It isn't perfectly clear, but I take that to mean that the THP uses the stock, non-M-Sport springs plus adjustable shocks to provide the (selectable) added stiffness.
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That has to be right; I had forgotten about the 10 mm of ride-height difference. All the same, I think the springing has to be more compliant to give the ZTR-equipped car a genuine "comfort" mode. Or at least that's what I expect, rather than an M Sport ride in comfort and a harsher one in sport.
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