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      05-27-2015, 08:53 AM   #1
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M2 Weight???

Any confirmation on how much will the M2 weighs?

The M235i coupe is only 25lbs lighter than the M4, but 95lbs lighter compared to the 435i. The M division was able to lighten the M4 by 70lbs compared to the 435i.

If the the M4 weight reduction formula carries over to the M2, my guess is the M2 would weigh 3,446lbs. That would be very disappointing if my guess is close. To make the M2 as exciting as speculated, it needs to be closer to 3,300lbs.

M4 Manual - 3,530lbs
435i Manual - 3,600lbs
M235 Manual - 3,505lbs

Hope to be wrong here.
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well for comparison sake:

135i: 3373 lbs
1M: 3296 lbs

235: 3505 lbs
M2: 3418 lbs??

pretty close to your estimate...using a 77 lb loss which accompanied the 135/1M change.

I don't think you will see a 200 lb weight loss...that would mean a significantly higher price.
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Any confirmation on how much will the M2 weighs?

The M235i coupe is only 25lbs lighter than the M4, but 95lbs lighter compared to the 435i. The M division was able to lighten the M4 by 70lbs compared to the 435i.

If the the M4 weight reduction formula carries over to the M2, my guess is the M2 would weigh 3,446lbs. That would be very disappointing if my guess is close. To make the M2 as exciting as speculated, it needs to be closer to 3,300lbs.

M4 Manual - 3,530lbs
435i Manual - 3,600lbs
M235 Manual - 3,505lbs

Hope to be wrong here.
We'll be lucky if it comes in at 3400 lbs. No way its going to drop 200 lbs.
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We'll be lucky if it comes in at 3400 lbs. No way its going to drop 200 lbs.
Man. I was expecting it to be closer to the 1M weight. I hope we're all wrong here, otherwise it would be a huge disappointment (IMO). All the wait for car that's $5k less (assuming no discount on M2s) than an M3, only 80lbs lighter, and has 65 less HP.
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Man. I was expecting it to be closer to the 1M weight. I hope we're all wrong here, otherwise it would be a huge disappointment (IMO). All the wait for car that's $5k less (assuming no discount on M2s) than an M3, only 80lbs lighter, and has 65 less HP.
The 1m only dropped about 85lbs from the 135is. I would expect a similar weight loss compared to the m235i. Remember the 2 series is a slightly bigger car in general compared to 1 series. That would put it in the 3400 range and hitting 3400 if they push it.
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Any confirmation on how much will the M2 weighs?

The M235i coupe is only 25lbs lighter than the M4, but 95lbs lighter compared to the 435i. The M division was able to lighten the M4 by 70lbs compared to the 435i.

If the the M4 weight reduction formula carries over to the M2, my guess is the M2 would weigh 3,446lbs. That would be very disappointing if my guess is close. To make the M2 as exciting as speculated, it needs to be closer to 3,300lbs.

M4 Manual - 3,530lbs
435i Manual - 3,600lbs
M235 Manual - 3,505lbs

Hope to be wrong here.
Complete guessing game here. We have no idea how those cars are optioned when they are weighed.

For example, BMW USA website says a 228i with 6MT weighs 3295 lbs. GSR measured their stripper with half a tank of gas and it came out to 3091 lbs.

I don't think it's completely impossible for a 0 optioned M2 to be 3400 lbs. I guess we'll see soon enough.
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Man. I was expecting it to be closer to the 1M weight. I hope we're all wrong here, otherwise it would be a huge disappointment (IMO). All the wait for car that's $5k less (assuming no discount on M2s) than an M3, only 80lbs lighter, and has 65 less HP.
No reason for a "huge disappointment". Look at it this way: you'll get more car for less money.

What matters is what the car is capable of and what you can do with it.
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I don't care about weight. It is what it is. Are you not going to buy it over 50 pounds?
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Man. I was expecting it to be closer to the 1M weight. I hope we're all wrong here, otherwise it would be a huge disappointment (IMO). All the wait for car that's $5k less (assuming no discount on M2s) than an M3, only 80lbs lighter, and has 65 less HP.
It wouldn't be hard to make up that 65hp with a tune. Or get close. And as important as weight is... Size matters too. The M4 and M3 are rather large compared to the 2. If you're on a narrow road it will be much easier to hold/adjust your line and more quickly/confidently drive faster down the small road. Because of this, even with its estimated small weight and power difference, It will be a much more fun and capable car. IMO.

And easier to park in small spots less likely to get door dings? Lol
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I don't care about weight. It is what it is. Are you not going to buy it over 50 pounds?
Since the price difference is now so close, it is all about the weight. Let's face it, no one bought a 1M thinking it's better looking than an E92 M3 or faster on the straight. They bought it because it's light, nimble, and it was a lot cheaper.

Now that the price difference of the M2 and M3 is about $5k (assuming they will not discount the M2), weight is the biggest factor into making this decision. The weight difference need to be 150lbs from the M3 to have a noticeable advantage (braking, cornering, and tire wear).

I would consider an M2 for a dedicated track car if it weighs less than 3,400lbs.
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Since the price difference is now so close, it is all about the weight. Let's face it, no one bought a 1M thinking it's better looking than an E92 M3 or faster on the straight. They bought it because it's light, nimble, and it was a lot cheaper.

Now that the price difference of the M2 and M3 is about $5k (assuming they will not discount the M2), weight is the biggest factor into making this decision. The weight difference need to be 150lbs from the M3 to have a noticeable advantage (braking, cornering, and tire wear).
With all due respect, if your track experience is "novice", how do you know that 150 lbs is the magic number? Unless of course that novice thing in your sig is meant to be sarcastic.

In all honesty, an F80 makes more sense to add to the current cars I have, because I already have 2 coupes. But the reason I'm leaning toward the M2 is just because I found the M235i to be more playful than the M3. Yes they might be the same weight, yes the M3/4 is much quicker. But the 2er platform is the right size and I've always come away being almost more impressed with the M235i after I've driven them back to back (twice). Flamesuit on (not that I really care what M3/4 owners think).

The reason I've been following the M2 since Day 1 is because if I liked the M235i, how could I not like the M2?
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Since the price difference is now so close, it is all about the weight. Let's face it, no one bought a 1M thinking it's better looking than an E92 M3 or faster on the straight. They bought it because it's light, nimble, and it was a lot cheaper.

Now that the price difference of the M2 and M3 is about $5k (assuming they will not discount the M2), weight is the biggest factor into making this decision. The weight difference need to be 150lbs from the M3 to have a noticeable advantage (braking, cornering, and tire wear).
With all due respect, if your track experience is "novice", how do you know that 150 lbs is the magic number? Unless of course that novice thing in your sig is meant to be sarcastic.

In all honesty, an F80 makes more sense to add to the current cars I have, because I already have 2 coupes. But the reason I'm leaning toward the M2 is just because I found the M235i to be more playful than the M3. Yes they might be the same weight, yes the M3/4 is much quicker. But the 2er platform is the right size and I've always come away being almost more impressed with the M235i after I've driven them back to back (twice). Flamesuit on (not that I really care what M3/4 owners think).

The reason I've been following the M2 since Day 1 is because if I liked the M235i, how could I not like the M2?
We're all novice racers until we make a living of doing it. I track for fun and I don't plan on making a living off of it.

I'm thinking of having a dedicated track car. Still deciding if the M2 is the answer or use my M3.

The price and weight will determine the final decision.
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We're all novice racers until we make a living of doing it. I track for fun and I don't plan on making a living off of it.

I'm thinking of having a dedicated track car. Still deciding if the M2 is the answer or use my M3.

The price and weight will determine the final decision.
Oh trust me, I'm not saying I am a track guru either. But it was pretty clear to me just driving them on the street once, and at the Performance Center once.

Honestly, I'd just go to your dealership and try to find an M235i to try out. Then judge that with your M3 and it'll give you a good idea if the M2 is for you or not.
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Oh trust me, I'm not saying I am a track guru either. But it was pretty clear to me just driving them on the street once, and at the Performance Center once.

Honestly, I'd just go to your dealership and try to find an M235i to try out. Then judge that with your M3 and it'll give you a good idea if the M2 is for you or not.
Thanks bro and I will have to take a spin of that M235i. The M3 was meant to be my weekend car, now it's becoming my daily driver as I don't touch my 6GC anymore. I need something that is more dedicated for fun.
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Thanks bro and I will have to take a spin of that M235i. The M3 was meant to be my weekend car, now it's becoming my daily driver as I don't touch my 6GC anymore. I need something that is more dedicated for fun.
Ironic, because I was thinking an M6GC with a 6MT would be kind of neat to have in the future
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Ironic, because I was thinking an M6GC with a 6MT would be kind of neat to have in the future
Don't get me wrong, I love the 6GC m-Sport. Mine is Imola Red with Black wheels, people drool when I drive by. I've never owned a car where so many people take photos of it, and it's completely stock.

The M3 is way more fun to drive. The 6GC can be playful, but you can feel the extra weight. I recently came from a 750Li, to a 6GC and X5, to an M3. So far the M3 is the ideal size and weight for daily and fun.

Don't make the mistake I did and get xDrive. No one makes coilvers for an xDrive and it sits way too high stock. For the same price, just get an M5.

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well for comparison sake:

135i: 3373 lbs
1M: 3296 lbs

235: 3505 lbs
M2: 3418 lbs??

pretty close to your estimate...using a 77 lb loss which accompanied the 135/1M change.

I don't think you will see a 200 lb weight loss...that would mean a significantly higher price.
Slightly skewed figures there, as you're picking and choosing the figures that support your overall position that the 235 is a pig - the 1M figure is the claimed weight from BMW. The 3505 235 weight is a manual transmission with standard US equipment - aka, we get more here in the US even if we don't want it.

The weight of the 235 with a sunroof delete and similar options would be a better comparison - hint, it's closer to your 1M's weight than you might be able to handle.

See here - there are 1Ms running around the EU that are in the 3552 range (is it just me, or does that number sounds familiar?):

http://www.zeperfs.com/en/fiche3711-bmw-1m.htm
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well for comparison sake:

135i: 3373 lbs
1M: 3296 lbs

235: 3505 lbs
M2: 3418 lbs??

pretty close to your estimate...using a 77 lb loss which accompanied the 135/1M change.

I don't think you will see a 200 lb weight loss...that would mean a significantly higher price.
Slightly skewed figures there, as you're picking and choosing the figures that support your overall position that the 235 is a pig - the 1M figure is the claimed weight from BMW. The 3505 235 weight is a manual transmission with standard US equipment - aka, we get more here in the US even if we don't want it.

The weight of the 235 with a sunroof delete and similar options would be a better comparison - hint, it's closer to your 1M's weight than you might be able to handle.

See here - there are 1Ms running around the EU that are in the 3552 range (is it just me, or does that number sounds familiar?):

http://www.zeperfs.com/en/fiche3711-bmw-1m.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.zeperfs.c...bmw-1m.htm</a>" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...1m.htm</a></a>" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...tm</a></a></a>
there are plenty of 1Ms which have been weighed between 3250 and 3350 lbs. A local NY owner weighed his 1M with a FULL tank of gas and got 3322 on this forum. You finding the 'heaviest' number sounds like you trying to sell your position.....then again I expect that sort of behaviour from M235 owners

the reality is that BMW listed the weight as 3296lbs globally and in the US a 3360 number was used as well. The other reality is that BMW USA also used 3505 as the MT weight for the M235 in the US....and even more for the slushbox.

No matter what way you want to look at it there IS close to a 150 lb difference at least....if not more.
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Has anyone actually weighed an M235i? Does it really weigh that much?
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there are plenty of 1Ms which have been weighed between 3250 and 3350 lbs. A local NY owner weighed his 1M with a FULL tank of gas and got 3322 on this forum. You finding the 'heaviest' number sounds like you trying to sell your position.....then again I expect that sort of behaviour from M235 owners

the reality is that BMW listed the weight as 3296lbs globally and in the US a 3360 number was used as well. The other reality is that BMW USA also used 3505 as the MT weight for the M235 in the US....and even more for the slushbox.

No matter what way you want to look at it there IS close to a 150 lb difference at least....if not more.
All I am suggesting is that you might have compared vehicles that are similarly equipped. That might actually foster an interesting discussion, about the differences between the cars and how the final weights were achieved.

Can you not understand that more options (aka a sunroof) are standard for a 235 that were not offered on your 1M? And that the published figures for the car are based upon those standard options? Perhaps, in some wild stretch of the imagination, a 1M and 235, both MT equipped, steel roof, heated seats only be a better comparison?

Furthermore, my distaste for my own car is well known on these threads. Generalize some on your part?

The truth of the matter is that most times you provide no appreciable benefit to the conversations on this board. You are, from the majority of what I have seen, a pretty pompous ass in a place where fun discussions should be the norm. You are inherently defensive about anything you own or have owned, and similarly dismissive of anything that is presented as a viable alternative to one of those vehicles.

The approach does not benefit anyone...
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All I am suggesting is that you might compared vehicles that are similarly equipped. That might actually foster an interesting discussion, about the differences between the cars and how the final weights were achieved.

Can you not understand that more options (aka a sunroof) are standard for a 235 that were not offered on your 1M? And that the published figures for the car are based upon those standard options? Perhaps, in some wild stretch of the imagination, a 1M and 235, both MT equipped, steel roof, heated seats only be a better comparison?

Furthermore, my distaste for my own car is well known on these parts. Generalize some on your part?

The truth of the matter is that most times you provide no appreciable benefit to the conversations on this board. You are, from the majority of what I have seen, a pretty pompous ass in a place where fun discussions should be the norm. You are inherently defensive about anything you own or have owned, and similarly dismissive of anything that is presented as a viable alternative to one of those vehicles.

The approach does not benefit anyone...
I think most people on here have learned to just ignore whatever is being said, since one simply cannot find a post of his that's not in some way praising his car. No contribution to the discussion at all. Wait til the M2 comes out and if it's better than the 1M, see how fast he gets on the wagon and start blabbing the M2 is better than everything else.

Is there a function on here to ignore a post?

On topic, IMHO the 100-200lb difference in weight in the big picture will not matter, It's how the car feels and drives that will be the deciding factor. My guess 34xxlb, MT, min options.
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With all due respect, if your track experience is "novice", how do you know that 150 lbs is the magic number? Unless of course that novice thing in your sig is meant to be sarcastic.

In all honesty, an F80 makes more sense to add to the current cars I have, because I already have 2 coupes. But the reason I'm leaning toward the M2 is just because I found the M235i to be more playful than the M3. Yes they might be the same weight, yes the M3/4 is much quicker. But the 2er platform is the right size and I've always come away being almost more impressed with the M235i after I've driven them back to back (twice). Flamesuit on (not that I really care what M3/4 owners think).

The reason I've been following the M2 since Day 1 is because if I liked the M235i, how could I not like the M2?
You should get M3 though... You won't disappoint! After all it's an extremely capable and practical 4 door
I do however still love to see what's up with M2!
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