[holmefield]

So the wifes treating me to a remap this crimbo, its come out of the blue as i usually i have to hide remaps and mods from her..

So i drive a standard engine wise 56 plate manual 330 D M sport pre Lci, i've heard good things about Emaps i very nearly used them on my 520 D M sport.

I've also heard Evolve are good???

Whos used who and whats the best to go with? Im based in burnley lancashire and dont mine driving say 30/40 miles to get a good remap..

im after a mix of more go but dont what to lose to much Mpg, im not really after the expense of removing the Dpf i did that on my Leon Mpg went up but it was expensive to remove...

should i expect around 40 bhp gain?

Thanks for any advice....

[makkan00]

If you are after performance, then evolve it.

[holmefield]

Whats sort of ball park figures could I expect from evolve I've heard there quite good..

Im not a lead footer anymore old age and all but I do like the 3 litre grunt from time to time also im averaging around 38mpg @ the mo and I'd like to keep that but just have the option of wasting cav boy racers in there souped up rice racers....ha ha

[holmefield]

Just been looking on the evolve web site, there claiming 50/60bhp!!! & 10/15% better mpg surely thats a stretch! !!

It say a remap is £499 is that about right for 330 D's.....the main problem is there a long way away from burnley lancashire thou...

[Somerset Jim]

I've recently had my 330d pre lci remapped by radical remaps based in Devon. Not near you I know but they did it for £250 cash and will revert the car back to stock later for free as and when needed for resale. I'm very happy with the increased power which they claim is 280bhp and an extra 60nm of torque. My economy is up on a run by around 4-5mpg too.

Hope this helps...

[holmefield]

Yer I was hoping to pay around the £300/£400 max mark Evolve are obviously very good jugging by the reviews but £499 does seem steep to me..

But they do seem to get BIG bhp gains, which maked me wonder how they can claim better Mpg...

Decisions decisions....

[Icekube]

http://www.motorsport-developments.co.uk/

give those guys a shout, proper tuners that know how things should be done. anyone can flash a map on and call themselves a tuner these days. get it done properly!

their site says a proper custom, Live map, done on their rollers is somewhere between 250-500£ (usually £300)

ill be driving down there to get mine done after i get the rest of my upgrades bolted on

[RajB]

Tbh remaps are a very difficult one to compare. You'll always get those that prefer one mapper/company to another and will slate others etc.

I've used emaps, AmD, BW Chiptune, revo, dms, etc etc over many cars and many years. All in all I think you'll be pleased with the results of most out there as tbh the majority use very similar maps and aren't tailored like a lot try to lead us to believe.

The 335i I've purchased already has an evolve map but as I'd already purchased a JB4 prior to buying the car I'd like to remove the map and use the JB4. I called up evolve and they said they didn't think they had the original file and wanted £100 to basically remap it back to stock hmmm. So that isn't great as far as I'm concerned. But like I said others will have a different opinion.

Simon at emaps is a nice guy will travel to you and won't charge the earth.

A friend of mine can offer the same service but I won't mention it here as I don't want it to appear I'm trying to push his business.

Hope that helps.

Raj.

[nicktyler]

Originally Posted by holmefield

But they do seem to get BIG bhp gains, which maked me wonder how they can claim better Mpg...

Decisions decisions....

Evolve can get big peak BHP gains and better MPG but not at the same time, by same time I mean literally the same time. If you drive 'normally' you will get better MPG, if you floor it you get big power for a relatively small reduction in MPG. It is basically more efficient in any driving style.

I hope that made sense, I'm not the best at articluating these things

Most good maps should give you this but I know Evolve are very good from experience.

[Martin32]

I used Ecotune in Glasgow for my 335d.

http://www.ecotune-scotland.co.uk/

They also have a good DPF removal solution.

[makkan00]

[QUOTE=nicktyler;17095728]Evolve can get big peak BHP gains and better MPG but not at the same time, by same time I mean literally the same time. If you drive 'normally' you will get better MPG, if you floor it you get big power for a relatively small reduction in MPG. It is basically more efficient in any driving style.

QUOTE]

+1

Usually there are two different version of maps.
One for power and forget the mpg. You get max out of your car.
Other one is a comprise of power and mpg.


So OP need to decide what he wants. You can have a combination of both but you are not going to get ballistic car.


Re: Evolve, search a group remapping thread and evolve were doing it for £300. If you refer to that thread, Imran should be able to price match that and you'll have your car evolved at that price.

When I remapped mine, I opted for max power delivery and yes I got that but on the compromise of mpg (which I did not care). If mpg was priority on my list then I would be driving 320d or perhpaps prius!

[holmefield]

Im fancying either Evolve our Emaps @ the mo..if im honest a mix of Mpg and performance is fine for me. .im 40 now so im past the days of chasing maximum Bhp, but say around 270 bhp & no worse Mpg & I'd be happy..

My main issue with Evolve is there a long way off from me....

My last car Seat leon Btcc Pd was stage 2 with Dpf delete and it was an animal and averaged around 44mpg....But if im honest it was a bit to harsh for everyday driving as it was very snappy on acceleration. .

[Icekube]

Originally Posted by holmefield

Im fancying either Evolve our Emaps @ the mo..if im honest a mix of Mpg and performance is fine for me. .im 40 now so im past the days of chasing maximum Bhp, but say around 270 bhp & no worse Mpg & I'd be happy..

My main issue with Evolve is there a long way off from me....

My last car Seat leon Btcc Pd was stage 2 with Dpf delete and it was an animal and averaged around 44mpg....But if im honest it was a bit to harsh for everyday driving as it was very snappy on acceleration. .

MSD are a stones throw away from you, have been in the tuning game for decades, have a proper rolling road and are cheaper than the other basic maps, yet they give you a full, custom live map.

paying 500£ for someone to load a generic file onto the car is horrendous.

[holmefield]

Originally Posted by Icekube

MSD are a stones throw away from you, have been in the tuning game for decades, have a proper rolling road and are cheaper than the other basic maps, yet they give you a full, custom live map.

paying 500£ for someone to load a generic file onto the car is horrendous.

Right I've spoken to MSD they can do a remap and rolling road before and after run for £285.00 all in!!!!

they quote 45 bhp and 85 torque increase......

Emaps have quoted 40 bhp 100 torque increase and they come in @ £299.00

[Somerset Jim]

Originally Posted by holmefield

Right I've spoken to MSD they can do a remap and rolling road before and after run for £285.00 all in!!!!

they quote 45 bhp and 85 torque increase......

Emaps have quoted 40 bhp 100 torque increase and they come in @ £299.00

If only they were further down this way I would have gone for them. Impressive stuff and very good value!

[bimmaguy]

I've heard autologic is the most complete one as it updates software properly and not just certain parts.
The power is a little conservative compared to others but the distribution of power is better then most.

Just what I've heard from speaking to a couple of guys who had it done.

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by bimmaguy

I've heard autologic is the most complete one as it updates software properly and not just certain parts.
The power is a little conservative compared to others but the distribution of power is better then most.

Just what I've heard from speaking to a couple of guys who had it done.

Autologic maps are conservative indeed but safe. Also, they suggest you to upgrade your DME before you remap the car.

And this is what I had done on my previous car. After purchasing, updated all the module (except kombi) and then took it to the tuner to get remapped.

[holmefield]

Whats DME ? And will it increase Bhp....

i'd be happy with 45/50 bhp, Emaps claim 40 Bhp which i believe will be to give better Mpg and a little more go....

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by holmefield

Whats DME ? And will it increase Bhp....

i'd be happy with 45/50 bhp, Emaps claim 40 Bhp which i believe will be to give better Mpg and a little more go....

DME is engine module. The right method is to update engine module before you remap it.
Logic behind is to update it to latest oem map (considering it is trouble free) and then edit that latest map.

Emap is more eco friendly company from what I have heard. Conservative gains and a balance b/w gains and economoy.

[old grey steve]

Originally Posted by bimmaguy

I've heard autologic is the most complete one as it updates software properly and not just certain parts.
The power is a little conservative compared to others but the distribution of power is better then most.

Just what I've heard from speaking to a couple of guys who had it done.

We use Autologic and the software update the unit provides(we use the genuine ISTA3 BMW system too)are very worthwhile. We also have full access to Autologics maps aswell and we can at will flit between these and the other 2 company's we are associated with. We therefore pre re map carry out required diagnostic for any issues, then and only when we are completely OK with the result update the cars software to the latest spec then test drive, re scan for issues then re map.

Originally Posted by makkan00

Autologic maps are conservative indeed but safe. Also, they suggest you to upgrade your DME before you remap the car.

And this is what I had done on my previous car. After purchasing, updated all the module (except kombi) and then took it to the tuner to get remapped.

100% re update Sam we do it all the time, more out of being ultimately conscious of what software can do to assist us and remove obstacles than anything else, plus it's the right thing IMO to do for the customer.

Are Autologic on the Consertitive side? Well yes they are in a nutshell. We had a car thst one if our customer ex had re mapped by is in mid 2013 a 325d it felt quick but the customer wasn't 100% comfortable with it though it did go well, but when we started our re map journey(we've spend 15 or so months looking to find a decent partner)rather than just use Autologic to re map with(by decent I mean good software, excellent back up good hit rate re returns-and we wanted proof too)we eventually signed up with a "shadow"company by which I mean a company that offers everything, writes every file carries out its own research the lot, but it isn't one of the names you overly hear about on here or in the mags and doesn't say you'll get unimaginable claims or big figures from a car, which usually attracts people. And we've seen various cars various mappers where we've dragged the files off and had them read.

We found one and they took the car I've mentioned above, took the file apart and found some interesting things. It would seem Autologics approach and our remapping associates view of the same car in terms of what values were altered were quite staggeringly different.

The end result was a bit more power but the car drove superbly broader power and we know overall better fuel economy too.

It's the approach to the same car that really shows some have more knowledge of one area than another and it then became clear to us that the gulf between Autologic who use licenced manufacturing software but have their own dealer level master tech's to help us and standalone re mapping specialists is greater than the average enthusast would ever comprehend. We were amazed really and were shown what Autologic had altered questioned why and modified the file uploaded said there you are drive and see. And we were hooked.

Since then we've been courting another company again not well known but write software support the dealers it vets and chooses to work with and spend well ten of thousands on development and we've signed up with them now as a official partner with full support and will teach us to write our own files on site. It's being able to write the files plus being shown how to and what altering the values actually can/will do that's key. So we are now partners with 2 very well respected company's.

Massive for us great for our customers plus as you know Sam for F series cars as of the start of next year no tuning boxes for us we'll be TriCore mapping on siteand most if not all the known guys can't do that.

Originally Posted by holmefield

Whats DME ? And will it increase Bhp....

i'd be happy with 45/50 bhp, Emaps claim 40 Bhp which i believe will be to give better Mpg and a little more go....

Known Simon for Emaps for years and I'm running one of his custom maps on my 335i he spent ages on for me. Simons honourable but protects his company won't go OTT produces a good product and has a good loyal following due to how he has gone about interacting with his customer.

The bonus is he's mobile, his knowledge and he's got some keenly priced maps oh and he's a nice guy too

[Adam1712]

I'll be going with Emaps in the new year for my remap.

[Ess]

I don't have experience of any other company, but I can strongly recommend Simon at Emaps. I'm delighted with the product which came at a fraction of the price of the other companies mentioned above, and Simon was a very friendly, honest guy.