[rick7591]

Hi, i have on order a 430d msport due delivery week 48,i am trying to find out how much BMW will charge for the PPK upgrade, i asked my dealer three weeks ago for a cost, but as of yet still no joy. Wonder if anyone can help please

[jumperjohn]

I had a quote from two dealers for my F31 330d, £1500 fitted (without brakes).

Beware though as your car may well be producing over the quoted HP and torque figures as standard so there would only be a slight, if any, benefit to fitting this.

Just a quick question, have you tried this engine in anger yet? It's so fast as standard, and I mean not only a slight blurring of the senses but stupidly quick, not many cars could keep up with it's acceleration to 100mph.

[rick7591]

Originally Posted by jumperjohn

I had a quote from two dealers for my F31 330d, £1500 fitted (without brakes).

Beware though as your car may well be producing over the quoted HP and torque figures as standard so there would only be a slight, if any, benefit to fitting this.

Just a quick question, have you tried this engine in anger yet? It's so fast as standard, and I mean not only a slight blurring of the senses but stupidly quick, not many cars could keep up with it's acceleration to 100mph.

Hi, no i test drove the 435 but didnt want the x drive version, thats why i dropped to the 430. I have a jag 3.0 xfd sports now and previously had the m530 diesel and figured the performance would probably be similar. I wanted to get the PPK fitted before i took delivery at the end of november, but i think maybe from your comments i might now wait until the car arrives and see if it does need an upgrade. Many thanks

[jumperjohn]

Originally Posted by rick7591

Hi, no i test drove the 435 but didnt want the x drive version, thats why i dropped to the 430. I have a jag 3.0 xfd sports now and previously had the m530 diesel and figured the performance would probably be similar. I wanted to get the PPK fitted before i took delivery at the end of november, but i think maybe from your comments i might now wait until the car arrives and see if it does need an upgrade. Many thanks

Hello.

Yes I would wait a little while to see how you feel. I have put my foot to the floor once from a start and it was epic, only once as there really is no need as the shove at half throttle is enough. Just remember the 330d has at least 560NM of torque, more than the M3, Ferrari 458 etc. Torque is king!

[Steven1077]

If torque is king how come its slower than an M3?

[jusdorange]

Err no. 330d and a 458 aren't in same ballpark

[....,,,,..,,..]

Originally Posted by Steven1077

If torque is king how come its slower than an M3?

It must be king. It said so in last months Caravan Monthly.......

[dopper99]

Torque just makes a car "feel" fast. BHP actually makes it fast

[Consett Mag]

To most of us, if it feels fast it is fast. Unless you're a racing driver, feeling is believing.

[Lorcan]

Originally Posted by jumperjohn

Beware though as your car may well be producing over the quoted HP and torque figures as standard so there would only be a slight, if any, benefit to fitting this.

Wouldn't you still get the same % increase? You do with our upgrades.

[Nick the Greek]

. . Just remember the 330d has at least 560NM of torque, more than the M3, Ferrari 458 etc. Torque is king!

Illustrates perfectly why quoting a random number such as torque, means nothing.

You need to know, what's beneath the peak, the gearing, weight.

You bring your PPK diesel, I'll come in a 458..........

[geordiepaul]

I was given a price of £1300 for an F31, presume it's the same for F32.
That was before any negotiating. I got some pretty big discount of the other performance kit so I'm guessing that could come down a lot.

[Apl440i or 335d?]

Crikey, I have heard many VS stores on here. 335d V E92 M3. 330d V E46 M3. 328i v 330d. BMW V Audi...... But 330d V 458?

FWIW, I know you were only quoting the Torque, and do not think a 330d is going to get anywhere near to being close to a fezza. But it did make me chuckle, so thanks for that.

[jusdorange]

Originally Posted by Nick the Greek

Illustrates perfectly why quoting a random number such as torque, means nothing.

You need to know, what's beneath the peak, the gearing, weight.

You bring your PPK diesel, I'll come in a 458..........

We've got a huracan on order, I'll bring that

Someone else can get.the Golf R

Clearly the big audi and fiat will get spanked

[Steven1077]

Originally Posted by Brigand

It must be king. It said so in last months Caravan Monthly.......

[Ads4]

Originally Posted by Lorcan

Wouldn't you still get the same % increase? You do with our upgrades.

I've always wondered about this...surely a tuning box is set to perameters and set figures, not just a percentage increase? Thereby a car running 280hp standard or 258hp would still come out with the same tuned hp? Surely you don't get a percentage increase regardless, how could you warranty a product without knowing what the final numbers/outcome would be?

[gatsojon]

Originally Posted by jumperjohn

Torque is king!

It is at any given revs. Double the revs with the same torque and you double the power, which is why the 330d is beaten by the M3 etc...

[bwrlane]

Originally Posted by Ads4

I've always wondered about this...surely a tuning box is set to perameters and set figures, not just a percentage increase? Thereby a car running 280hp standard or 258hp would still come out with the same tuned hp? Surely you don't get a percentage increase regardless, how could you warranty a product without knowing what the final numbers/outcome would be?

Don't think it's tuned to a pre-determined output. With the PPK you get a new ECU which changes the fuel injection parameters and how it changes with revs. You also get a new intercooler, which allows air to be fed to the turbo at lower temperature, therefore higher mass of air for a given pressure. These are real upgrades, not just a change in the software that says "gimme 280 bhp". I'd therefore expect the actual upgrade to be more like a percentage to the original power. I think Nisfan found his car went up from about 280bhp without PPK to 303 with.

[Lorcan]

Originally Posted by Ads4

I've always wondered about this...surely a tuning box is set to perameters and set figures, not just a percentage increase? Thereby a car running 280hp standard or 258hp would still come out with the same tuned hp? Surely you don't get a percentage increase regardless, how could you warranty a product without knowing what the final numbers/outcome would be?

If BMW can't make them all the same then we as tuners have no chance. The figures we quote are "an indication of what you can expect" and while they do vary from car to car no-one gets disappointed by an artificial limit because the donor car is over-performing.

As an example our demo Z4 28i rated at 245hp was tuned to 294hp (clutch figures) but actually made 286hp at the rear wheels. Our 328i in Germany made a similar 315hp at the clutch, 21hp more than we claim.

We test a number of cars of the same model so are aware of the scope of the variation and tune them accordingly, within safe parameters of course.

[ciscopete822]

"Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." -Enzo Ferrari

[jusdorange]

You really can't use one metric

Even an M3/4 isn't a true sports car, it's just a fast saloon

[ciscopete822]

It always comes down to this:

- diesel owners are going to praise torque
- petrol owners are going to praise bhp

I have a pleasure to own both of them. each car is brilliant in its respective way.

330d is so much easier to drive and believe it or not i am quite often talking it for a spin without any particular reason. It can really piss other petrol "sport cars" off.

Masser is loud and has ridiculous road presence but not as easy to drive as diesel beemer.

Personally , prefer torque to bhp.