[300hp]

This is kind of a follow up thread to the "rave reviews" thread that was going around earlier. I am a firm believer in the saying that goes "numbers don't lie" and here there are:

C300 4matic
241hp

Track Test Results
Acceleration, 0-30 mph (sec.) 2.2
0-45 mph (sec.) 4.0
0-60 mph (sec.) 6.5
0-75 mph (sec.) 9.5
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 14.7@92.7

Weight: 3,722lbs
Height: 56.8in

http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz...est-specs.html

[puma1552]

So, what about those numbers? Look to be about the average for an average car. *shrug*

[Fanitron]

Took a look at the review... seems about par. TBH, the raw power specs (i.e. accel, skipad, etc.) don't seem to be very impressive at all. My 328i accel's faster in stock form.

[300hp]

Not sure if you guys also noticed that the C300 weighs as much as my 335i xdrive and is taller by about 0.3in

[fecurtis]

None of those metrics are indicative of overall quality and ride of the vehicle.

If that was the only measuring stick for cars, we'd all be driving Hellcat Chargers and Challengers.

I'd never own a C Class most likely, but thanks to the CLA, the new C-Class has certainly moved upmarket. Something quarter mile times wouldn't give any indication of.

Basically what I'm saying is that I don't get the point of this thread.

[drob23]

He is saying that the C300 is slow in his mind...that's my take.

[Fanitron]

I get that MB has basically gone the other way, as in moving away from the "Sport Luxury" and more toward full-out Luxury at an entry-level price point. I would not ignore the fact that there is much more to the overall quality of a car than performance statistics, but I was merely responding to the posted numbers and saying that it is not very impressive in that respect.

On the other hand, they're targeting a different market now. Maybe they realized that with Cadillac's ATS and Lexus finally getting the IS toward the performance mark set by the previous 3er (E90), the market may now be wanting a more refined car for that segment.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by drob23

He is saying that the C300 is slow in his mind...that's my take.

Well since you brought this up, for comparison

X5 35i (F15)

0-60 is 6.2
1/4 is about 14.5@93

These are SUV type numbers but as someone said there is more to life than numbers

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by 300hp

Well since you brought this up, for comparison

X5 35i (F15)

0-60 is 6.2
1/4 is about 14.5@93

These are SUV type numbers but as someone said there is more to life than numbers

You're also comparing apples to oranges. I'd expect an SUV with a 3.0L turbo to be as fast as a relatively heavy car with a turbo 4 cylinder.

Most people here have the N55 engine so a more appropriate comparison for sheer speed would be the C400 and not the C300.

C300 = 2.0 L I4 Turbo
C400 = 3.0 L V6 Turbo

It took MB long enough but they finally said f*** it to their whole naming convention. For the longest time the numerical designation represented the size of the engine, in the case of many AMG cars and now the C-Class, that doesn't really hold water anymore.

Either way, even if the C400 is faster or slower than a F30, anyone who likes Mercedes wouldn't care. Mercedes caters to those who favor luxury over sportiness.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

You're also comparing apples to oranges. I'd expect an SUV with a 3.0L turbo to be as fast as a relatively heavy car with a turbo 4 cylinder.

Most people here have the N55 engine so a more appropriate comparison for sheer speed would be the C400 and not the C300.

C300 = 2.0 L I4 Turbo
C400 = 3.0 L V6 Turbo

It took MB long enough but they finally said f*** it to their whole naming convention. For the longest time the numerical designation represented the size of the engine, in the case of many AMG cars and now the C-Class, that doesn't really hold water anymore.

Either way, even if the C400 is faster or slower than a F30, anyone who likes Mercedes wouldn't care. Mercedes caters to those who favor luxury over sportiness.

Here is a 328i xdrive that weighs 3800lbs

0-60 5.8s

I also doubt that most people here have the N55, I believe it's the other way round.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...on-test-review

Again, the C300 has SUV type numbers. Otherwise the rest of your post makes sense

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by 300hp

Here is a 328i xdrive that weighs 3800lbs

0-60 5.8s

I also doubt that most people here have the N55, I believe it's the other way round.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...on-test-review

Again, the C300 has SUV type numbers. Otherwise the rest of your post makes sense

I remember seeing a poll done where most members who voted had a 335i but I could be wrong.

The numbers for the C300 aren't too surprising since the car is a little heavy and they have the carry over 7 speed instead of the ZF 8 speed in the F30.

[Raikkonen]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

None of those metrics are indicative of overall quality and ride of the vehicle.

If that was the only measuring stick for cars, we'd all be driving Hellcat Chargers and Challengers.

I'd never own a C Class most likely, but thanks to the CLA, the new C-Class has certainly moved upmarket. Something quarter mile times wouldn't give any indication of.

Basically what I'm saying is that I don't get the point of this thread.

I couldn't agree more.

Everyone equates "faster" to mean "better".

American manufacturers have a disturbing tendency to lean on metrics such as these, except they take it one pathetic level farther by saying, "faster + less expensive = better".

Build quality, switchgear, and overall attention to detail are summarily dismissed in these arguments and comparisons, almost as if they're irrelevancies.

What fanboys don't realize is that I would still drive my BMW if every other car in its segment was not only faster to 60 mph, but cost $10k less as well.

The masses don't understand design and engineering, hence the Timex v. Rolex, Venom v. Veyron argument. If their function is identical, and the less expensive option is "better" (i.e. faster or more accurate) why pay more???

[justinnum1]

i want to see the rwd c300 numbers

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by 300hp

This is kind of a follow up thread to the "rave reviews" thread that was going around earlier. I am a firm believer in the saying that goes "numbers don't lie" and here there are:

C300 4matic
241hp

Track Test Results
Acceleration, 0-30 mph (sec.) 2.2
0-45 mph (sec.) 4.0
0-60 mph (sec.) 6.5
0-75 mph (sec.) 9.5
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 14.7@92.7

Weight: 3,722lbs
Height: 56.8in

http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz...est-specs.html

If you're a 0-60 guy (which a lot of America is):

The 328 smashes the C300

[CLittle]

I think this thread specifically addresses the critique that the new c class with more powerful engine was faster than the F30. It'll be interesting when we can get C400 performance numbers, too.

Slower or faster, I'd still pass. The car exterior and interior doesn't appeal to me.

[dc503]

I wonder if they have ridiculous RWD versus 4Matic debates on the Benz forums, that's really all I care about. Until then, they obviously can't compete with us.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

If you're a 0-60 guy (which a lot of America is):

The 328 smashes the C300

I wanted to create a thread that's the polar opposite of the rave reviews thread that was floating around earlier. People were almost predicting the demise of the 3er in that thread. So here we now know that from a sport car perspective the C300 can't even compete with the 328i. The argument presented in the other thread was the C300 is more luxurious in the cabin and we will give it that.

The question seems to be luxury over sportiness, the same question we had with the previous iterations of these cars.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by CLittle

I think this thread specifically addresses the critique that the new c class with more powerful engine was faster than the F30. It'll be interesting when we can get C400 performance numbers, too.

Slower or faster, I'd still pass. The car exterior and interior doesn't appeal to me.

Exactly. You hit the nail in the head right there. That's why I pointed out the weight of the C300 which is the same as the 335i xdrive. The C400 should obviously be at least 120lbs more.

Someone has already noted that the ZF8 is a better transmission than the MB 7 speed. With the C300 it's a done deal from a performance perspective. The 328i emerges victorious as always. Now the question is where will the C400 place. Interesting times lie ahead

[erichighley]

In my mind, the 2015 C-Class isn't really a direct 3/4er competitor. I have always considered the BMW v. MB debate as this: one is a sports car, with a dash of luxury, the latter is a luxury car, with a dash of sportiness.

Obviously these two are competitors in the sense of their positioning within each respective brand, but I don't think those in-the-know cross shop 3-series to C-Class. They are totally different cars, aiming to meet totally different objectives. If you're after 0-60 times, BMW will always win out. With the new models Mercedes is putting out, it seems they are going back to being a luxury automobile builder first. Lexus seems to be working to change their positioning in a more meaningful and imposing manner (though I'm not particularly a fan of their current design language).

[metrathon]

The new C class seems to be a true luxury entry-level sedan. The new ATS and IS are sports sedans.

F30 is a half-ass luxo-sporty sedan without getting any of the two right. Too soft to be called sporty, to noisy and spartan to be called luxury.

Stop lying to yourselves that you have a "sports" sedan. You are roughly one generation too late.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by metrathon

The new C class seems to be a true luxury entry-level sedan. The new ATS and IS are sports sedans.

F30 is a half-ass luxo-sporty sedan without getting any of the two right. Too soft to be called sporty, to noisy and spartan to be called luxury.

Stop lying to yourselves that you have a "sports" sedan. You are roughly one generation too late.

Exactly, that's why the ATS and IS lines are selling in spades for their true sportiness. I have seen many folks here dump their F30s for their softness and noiseness for the sublime sportiness offered by the ATS and IS lines

[drob23]

Actually, the ATS isn't selling too well, they had to dial back production at the Lansing plant to deal with rising inventory.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2014/08/...ats-cts-sales/