[unclesanchez]

Does anybody know if BMW is going to produce a 335d again in the US or are they just going to stick the 328d?

[Gastoys]

Never coming back to U.S. with Progressive EPA regressive laws!

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by Gastoys

Never coming back to U.S. with Progressive EPA regressive laws!

What exactly does that mean? It was as clean a diesel as any. The X3 now has a 300-hp 6-cylinder diesel option, very likely the same engine as they'd put in a 3-series for a 335d. If they'd had that engine option back when I ordered my 335i in Dec. of 2012, I would have ordered it instead of the gas engine.

[S4NoMore]

I think it's plenty clean but there isn't enough of a market for it. The majority of the diesel market is looking for an economical car with plenty of torque, and the 28d has that. The 35d really didn't get that great of mileage, especially compared with the N55.

[v1k1ng01]

Originally Posted by S4NoMore

I think it's plenty clean but there isn't enough of a market for it. The majority of the diesel market is looking for an economical car with plenty of torque, and the 28d has that. The 35d really didn't get that great of mileage, especially compared with the N55.

The F30 335d is rated at 48mpg highway and goes 0-60 in 4.8 sec stock. On the Autobahn's my 335i got pulled on by them all the time until I installed MPPK. I the reason why the 335d wasn't brought to the US IMO is because of 3 reasons:

2. The fact most Americans are either ignorant of or uninterested in performance diesels.

3.The fact that most Americans buying a sports sedan are unwilling to pay more for the diesel 3 liter then the 3 liter gaser.

1. and the money BMW would spend to get the N57D EPA emissions approved for the F30, when there probably isn't a profit in selling that car in the US anyway.

[floydarogers]

Originally Posted by v1k1ng01

The F30 335d is rated at 48mpg highway.

I suspect you're quoting a UK mileage, with their larger gallon. The US/CA 328d (320d EU) is rated at 43-45 mpg highway, so I seriously question that a 335d would get 48. The US/CA E90 335d was rated at only 36 mpg highway.

[v1k1ng01]

Originally Posted by floydarogers

I suspect you're quoting a UK mileage, with their larger gallon. The US/CA 328d (320d EU) is rated at 23-45 mpg highway, so I seriously question that a 335d would get 48. The US/CA E90 335d was rated at only 36 mpg highway.

The E90 335d had the old diesel engine (M57TU2D30) with a DFP and more restrictive EGR. The F30 has a newer N57D30T1 engine which runs Bluetec and is more efficient.

The EPA requirements for DFP's and EGR's were responsible for a 10% to 15% drop on power and fuel efficiency across the board on all Diesel vehicles in 2004, whereas Bluetec gets rid of all that junk. There a lot of information about this on the TDIclub forms.

[Clearmysix]

The engine used for the 335d is currently EPA approved for the 535d in the US, so this isn't necessarily a regulation issue.

The only reason they don't have a 335d in the F30 is they don't want one. That's all.

[v1k1ng01]

Originally Posted by Clearmysix

The engine used for the 335d is currently EPA approved for the 535d in the US, so this isn't necessarily a regulation issue.

The only reason they don't have a 335d in the F30 is they don't want one. That's all.

A lot of folks said that about the Golf GTD since it's engine is shared in other VW and other VW Audi models sold in the US. Turns out that was only part of the story. If BMW thought there was money to be made on selling a 335d in the US they would. Fact is that there's a lot of red tape to cross to make selling this car worth it. Same story for other European car manufactures as well when it comes to diesels.

[floydarogers]

Originally Posted by v1k1ng01

The E90 335d had the old diesel engine (M57TU2D30) with a DFP and more restrictive EGR. The F30 has a newer N57D30T1 engine which runs Bluetec and is more efficient.

The EPA requirements for DFP's and EGR's were responsible for a 10% to 15% drop on power and fuel efficiency across the board on all Diesel vehicles in 2004, whereas Bluetec gets rid of all that junk. There a lot of information about this on the TDIclub forms.

I don't know what a "DFP" is; perhaps you mean DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter)?
All the 335d E90 cars in the USA/CA have a DPF, which includes an Oxidation Catalyst. They also all have the Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) system (which uses Diesel Exhaust Fluid - DEF), which is what you mean when you say "Bluetec", which is a trademarked name not used by BMW.

We (in the US/CA) are pretty certain that BMW used our 10,000 335d cars (and the X5d) as a test site for their rollout of the SCR system there in the EU. It's quite possible that the newer N57 with SCR is a bit more robust and efficient than the systems on our M57 engines, but come on, it's not going to take a 36 mpg car up to 48 mpg.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by Clearmysix

The engine used for the 335d is currently EPA approved for the 535d in the US, so this isn't necessarily a regulation issue.

The only reason they don't have a 335d in the F30 is they don't want one. That's all.

We have the engine in the European 330d in the US. That's the one they sell in the X5d and 535d. The 313hp engine offered in Europe in their 335d is yet to make it here. I wish they could bring it to some of the functions they ordinarily hold in the US for test driving

[v1k1ng01]

Originally Posted by floydarogers

I don't know what a "DFP" is; perhaps you mean DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter)?
All the 335d E90 cars in the USA/CA have a DPF, which includes an Oxidation Catalyst. They also all have the Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) system (which uses Diesel Exhaust Fluid - DEF), which is what you mean when you say "Bluetec", which is a trademarked name not used by BMW.

We (in the US/CA) are pretty certain that BMW used our 10,000 335d cars (and the X5d) as a test site for their rollout of the SCR system there in the EU. It's quite possible that the newer N57 with SCR is a bit more robust and efficient than the systems on our M57 engines, but come on, it's not going to take a 36 mpg car up to 48 mpg.

Yes, the E90 has a Diesel Particulate Filter, but all the diesel engines on the F30 as far as I know don't. From what I understand the F30 diesel engines use a urea solution to burn off particle mater and noxious gas. A lot of folks call it bluetec because MB own's the patent on the name for the tech because they were one of first manufacturers to come up with this technology.

Simply removing a DFP and a EGR from can account for the power and fuel economy gain. The fact that it's a newer engine design with a different turbo set-up is just icing on the cake. If you look at the fuel economy figure for other similar diesel engines not sold in the states that use this tech you would see a trend.

Even if you convert the mpg number assuming the economy is rated UK to US that's still 40mpg US, which is 10 mpg (25%) better then 335i.

[S4NoMore]

Originally Posted by v1k1ng01

Fact is that there's a lot of red tape to cross to make selling this car worth it.

This. I believe each engine-chassis combination has to be crash tested and go through the whole certification process in order to be sold, so it's not just a matter of the engine being accepted by virtue of the 535d.

[ingenieur]

Originally Posted by v1k1ng01

Yes, the E90 has a Diesel Particulate Filter, but all the diesel engines on the F30 as far as I know don't. From what I understand the F30 diesel engines use a urea solution to burn off particle mater and noxious gas. A lot of folks call it bluetec because MB own's the patent on the name for the tech because they were one of first manufacturers to come up with this technology.

Simply removing a DFP and a EGR from can account for the power and fuel economy gain. The fact that it's a newer engine design with a different turbo set-up is just icing on the cake. If you look at the fuel economy figure for other similar diesel engines not sold in the states that use this tech you would see a trend.

Even if you convert the mpg number assuming the economy is rated UK to US that's still 40mpg US, which is 10 mpg (25%) better then 335i.

Negative - the new diesels must meet EU6 as well as US emissions.

The DPF and a new NSC are combined into one unit, but EGR, seperate SCR catalyst, plus particulate matter sensor are also still required.

[floydarogers]

Originally Posted by v1k1ng01

Yes, the E90 has a Diesel Particulate Filter, but all the diesel engines on the F30 as far as I know don't.

You are wrong. All 320d (US/CA 328d) engines in Europe have a DPF. All 330d/335d engines in EU have a DPF. See: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...id=54108&hg=18 and http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...id=55077&hg=18

Not all EU cars have SCR.

[ingenieur]

EU6 - 9/2014
https://www.google.com/search?q=eu6+...x-a&channel=sb

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...norm.html#more

[EJL]

All I know is I'd absolutely buy a 335d if the real version came to the US. I had the e90 335d (really the 330d) and loved it.

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by v1k1ng01

The F30 335d is rated at 48mpg highway and goes 0-60 in 4.8 sec stock. On the Autobahn's my 335i got pulled on by them all the time until I installed MPPK. I the reason why the 335d wasn't brought to the US IMO is because of 3 reasons:

2. The fact most Americans are either ignorant of or uninterested in performance diesels.

3.The fact that most Americans buying a sports sedan are unwilling to pay more for the diesel 3 liter then the 3 liter gaser.

1. and the money BMW would spend to get the N57D EPA emissions approved for the F30, when there probably isn't a profit in selling that car in the US anyway.

I would agree that those are valid reasons, but I think more Americans are getting interested in performance diesels. I'd have bought one for sure. I'm not sure getting the N57D would cost any more to certify than any of the gas models, but I'd bet that the right advertising campaign might have a positive effect on the demand for that model.