[oct1285]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

What? I can't believe I'm having this argument. Are you comparing the GTR to the M3 and 911 (any variants) when it comes to motorsport lineage?

How many ALMS, or GT2 Cups does the GTR have, or even entries for that matter?

Unbelievable.

No, he's not. He's saying heritage is heritage. I see internet is serious business aorund here.

[graider]

Originally Posted by EmmettBrown

lol ok. a post on an internet forum changes the fact that i can go out and drive either car. think what you want, i dont care

i'm a pretty reputable member on both nagtroc and 6speedonline - which brings up a question: does your username have to be the same on all forums? i don't think so.

i guess the 997 and GTR that i bring to the local meets are kit cars then

i didn't know you had to sound like you have a ph.d everytime you post on a forum if you drive nice cars.

sorry if i was wrong.

[escobar929]

Originally Posted by oct1285

No, he's not. He's saying heritage is heritage. I see internet is serious business aorund here.

take a look at his sig, its no mistery why he wont drop the same argument.

I really dont understand the hatred for this car, maybe its cause I come from owning i shit ton of nissan so I dont see it the way some of you guys do. My fav car make is Porsche, ever since I was a lil kid, but even when I am able to buy one, I not gonna think any less of the GTR or any other car for that matter.

Seems to me most Porsche owners are butt hurt cause a car far less expensive is almost as fast or faster (if you believe Nissan) than their beloved Porsches, pretty pathetic

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

What? I can't believe I'm having this argument. Are you comparing the GTR to the M3 and 911 (any variants) when it comes to motorsport lineage?

How many ALMS, or GT2 Cups does the GTR have, or even entries for that matter?

Unbelievable.

Im referring to your comment on the history of the vehicle. Not that racing lineage. Please don't mix the two

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

Im referring to your comment on the history of the vehicle. Not that racing lineage. Please don't mix the two

I never argued the "history of the GTR", even though it is a completely new car from the R32-34, everyone accepts it is a continuation of that lineage.

I was talking about racing lineage in my original post. So it seems, you were the one who mixed up the two.

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by escobar929

take a look at his sig, its no mistery why he wont drop the same argument.

I really dont understand the hatred for this car, maybe its cause I come from owning i shit ton of nissan so I dont see it the way some of you guys do. My fav car make is Porsche, ever since I was a lil kid, but even when I am able to buy one, I not gonna think any less of the GTR or any other car for that matter.

Seems to me most Porsche owners are butt hurt cause a car far less expensive is almost as fast or faster (if you believe Nissan) than their beloved Porsches, pretty pathetic

I can't speak for other Porsche owners, but the only point I've put forth is that the GTR, R32-35, has never won a major cup against the competitors it says "it's beating" at the Ring. It's like a basketball team of top stars who score 32 points a game, but haven't won a championship. Ferrari is who they are right now because of what they've managed to accomplish by winning major races. So is Porsche, Corvette, and others. Those brands have decades of Cup wins that underscore their motorsport lineage, and I can't think of a single major cup win for the GTR and all of its variants. The R33 did compete in LeMans, but never scored higher than 10th place.

I don't care if the GTR is faster around the Nurburgring, or cost half as much. I'm sure many people who own Porsches could afford a GTR, so why would we be "butt hurt"?

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by EmmettBrown

rofl

everytime you say this to a GTR owner (and yes i own a GTR myself but am far from a GTR fanboy), they go on about how skylines in the 80s were the best - blah blah blah they were race cars etc etc

as impressive as the GTR is, you just cant compare nissan to porsche in the end. the funny thing is - how long did it take nissan to develop and plan out the GTR? like 5 years or something? where as porsche just shits out turbos and GT3s like nothing and they are far more superior in terms of quality (both ride and interior, etc etc). you're not just paying for the porsche name. (own a 997 turbo as well and no im not bragging but unlike many asshats, i can actually talk from personal experience whereas people just go with what they read on the internet and magazines)

Totally agree. People who say "Porsche and Ferrari are over priced" have no idea about what they're talking about. They think the GTR is only $75,000 and has similar stats, it must be a bargain! That ignores the fact that Porsche, and Ferrari are brands that have proven themselves on the professional level and have excelled. It's like arguing about why Michael Jordan's autographed basketball is worth more than one autographed by Dominique Wilkins.

I'm not going to bash the GTR, but if the GTR was so great, why doesn't it compete directly and win against competitive brands from around the world on the professional level?

[graider]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Totally agree. People who say "Porsche and Ferrari are over priced" have no idea about what they're talking about. They think the GTR is only $75,000 and has similar stats, it must be a bargain! That ignores the fact that Porsche, and Ferrari are brands that have proven themselves on the professional level and have excelled. It's like arguing about why Michael Jordan's autographed basketball is worth more than one autographed by Dominique Wilkins.

I'm not going to bash the GTR, but if the GTR was so great, why doesn't it compete directly and win against competitive brands from around the world on the professional level?

some good points. but i think you can't compare the autograph to car. car is something that people drive daily and can actually use. autograph is just to look at but you can't do anything with it. it's like saying i had an orgasm looking at jessica biel picture. more like i had an orgasm looking at jessica biel picture while banging the chick next door.

i think lot of people love porsche/ferrari because the actual production cars have soul and are a blast to drive. i mean if these cars are ugly as hell and drive like a toyota, no one would buy them even if their race cars won 24 races in a row.

so to many enthusiast, if the gtr car deliver what they expect for a good price. why not?

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Totally agree. People who say "Porsche and Ferrari are over priced" have no idea about what they're talking about. They think the GTR is only $75,000 and has similar stats, it must be a bargain! That ignores the fact that Porsche, and Ferrari are brands that have proven themselves on the professional level and have excelled. It's like arguing about why Michael Jordan's autographed basketball is worth more than one autographed by Dominique Wilkins.

I'm not going to bash the GTR, but if the GTR was so great, why doesn't it compete directly and win against competitive brands from around the world on the professional level?

JGTC

[LateBraking]

Originally Posted by Cloud

JGTC

Indeed. Here's a link for that.

http://************/28ev9k5

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by graider

some good points. but i think you can't compare the autograph to car. car is something that people drive daily and can actually use. autograph is just to look at but you can't do anything with it. it's like saying i had an orgasm looking at jessica biel picture. more like i had an orgasm looking at jessica biel picture while banging the chick next door.

i think lot of people love porsche/ferrari because the actual production cars have soul and are a blast to drive. i mean if these cars are ugly as hell and drive like a toyota, no one would buy them even if their race cars won 24 races in a row.

so to many enthusiast, if the gtr car deliver what they expect for a good price. why not?

Great. People should buy what makes them happy. BTW, most people here would spend money to have an orgasm with Jessica Biel, than a girl who sort of had her same proportions and sexual skill. There's a reason for that.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

I'm not going to bash the GTR, but if the GTR was so great, why doesn't it compete directly and win against competitive brands from around the world on the professional level?

the answer is very, very simple. RULES.

the very things that make the GT-R as fast as it is (AWD, active diff, ASC/TC, DCT, Turbos, etc.) are almost always banned or severely restricted in motorsports.

case in point: which porsche is used in ALMS?

[graider]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Great. People should buy what makes them happy. BTW, most people here would spend money to have an orgasm with Jessica Biel, than a girl who sort of had her same proportions and sexual skill. There's a reason for that.

hey i would pay for the latter. much cheaper, less maintenance. i mean p is p right? hehe

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Cloud

JGTC

JGTC is a joke. its like nascar where the actual production model bears almost no resemblance to the race car. they had turbo NSX's, V8 supras, etc... and friggin honda just won it with a car that was never produced for the street.

[graider]

Originally Posted by madfast

the answer is very, very simple. RULES.

the very things that make the GT-R as fast as it is (AWD, active diff, ASC/TC, DCT, Turbos, etc.) are almost always banned or severely restricted in motorsports.

case in point: which porsche is used in ALMS?

very valid point. i have not though about that.

also i don't think racing is a good measures for the street car counter part. e.g. m3 gt2 is competitive with gt3 rsr, but that doesn't mean the m3 is competitive with the gt3 rs on the street. race cars and street cars are so different IMO.

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by madfast

the answer is very, very simple. RULES.

the very things that make the GT-R as fast as it is (AWD, active diff, ASC/TC, DCT, Turbos, etc.) are almost always banned or severely restricted in motorsports.

case in point: which porsche is used in ALMS?

I think this argument is getting kind of long in the tooth, but:

1) There is a FIA GT - GTR entry using a V8. But that's besides the point, you can go back to the R32-R34 and still not find a major win in any of the cups I mentioned.

2) The Porsche 911 GT3 RSR competes in the ALMS GT2 class.

[Chenry135]

^ I don't care what the numbers say on paper, but I would take your car over the GTR any day!

[1cleanm6]

gt3rs> skyline ANYDAY.. i dont care if its a 800hp gtr

My 2 cents:

Whoever buys a car based on the N-ring times is an idiot. Porsche is the COMPLETE PACKAGE. You get class, looks, handeling, and everything else. What exactly this stupid time proves is completely relative. Everything i see a gt3, gt2, or gt3rs i just

[boombastic]

Too bias maybe? Porsche is good for sure. but Nissan deserved a nod for the great job done.

Originally Posted by 1cleanm3

gt3rs> skyline ANYDAY.. i dont care if its a 800hp gtr

My 2 cents:

Whoever buys a car based on the N-ring times is an idiot. Porsche is the COMPLETE PACKAGE. You get class, looks, handeling, and everything else. What exactly this stupid time proves is completely relative. Everything i see a gt3, gt2, or gt3rs i just

[BayMoWe335]

Honestly, no regular driver can sniff those times, so GTR owners acting all hard is just funny. They'd probably be lucky to do a 9:00 lap.

That said, I also call BS on their times. Porsche might be a little butt hurt, but their argument is that the 997 Turbo has a similar if not better power to weight and still can't match those times. There seems to be some truth to that.

I am not saying the GTR isn't absurdly impressive and good value. I am saying their "official" numbers are questionable given what other cars with similar stats are doing. Either they have a true "Stig" driving or their cars have been slightly modified.

Bottom line: I couldn't care less because 99.99% of drivers will never approach these numbers, period.

[boombastic]

Agree with your bottom line. Also, enjoy your car.

QUOTE=BayMoWe335;8235637]Honestly, no regular driver can sniff those times, so GTR owners acting all hard is just funny. They'd probably be lucky to do a 9:00 lap.

That said, I also call BS on their times. Porsche might be a little but hurt, but their argument is that the 997 Turbo has a similar if not better power to weight and still loses.

I am not saying the GTR isn't absurdly impressive and good value. I am saying their "official" numbers are questionable given what other cars with similar stats are doing.

Bottom line: I couldn't care less because 99.99% of drivers will never approach these numbers, period.[/QUOTE]

[1cleanm6]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

Honestly, no regular driver can sniff those times, so GTR owners acting all hard is just funny. They'd probably be lucky to do a 9:00 lap.

That said, I also call BS on their times. Porsche might be a little but hurt, but their argument is that the 997 Turbo has a similar if not better power to weight and still loses.

I am not saying the GTR isn't absurdly impressive and good value. I am saying their "official" numbers are questionable given what other cars with similar stats are doing.

Bottom line: I couldn't care less because 99.99% of drivers will never approach these numbers, period.

Didnt you know? Gtr owners have small wieners lol. I heard at In n out some gtr owner claiming his car stock rips a 997tt apart at the ring. I was dying inside. Why? Because he cant even replicate that time if his life depended on it. (If the time is true afterall)

Ive never heard a porsche owner even care about all of this Nissan hype, seems like they dont even care. The gtr is 3800 pounds correct? Lets not even compare it to a reg 997.2 tt pdk. The gt2rs has 620 hp and is hundred of pounds slimmer and it got a 7:18 time. Theres no way a stock gtr can do 7:20. BS