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      02-06-2020, 12:38 PM   #1
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BMW Video: Creating Trust in Autonomous Cars

Trust is the ability to enjoy the journey. Listen in as Mariana Van Zeller talks to BMW technical product manager, Falk Schubert, on how BMW is creating a future you can trust with autonomous, self-driving vehicles. From driver assistance to continuous function testing, BMWs self-driving technology is at the frontier of driverless car development.

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      02-06-2020, 02:32 PM   #2
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It's just a matter of time before we trust autonomous vehicles, and it's as it should be, since driving is really just navigating an obstacle course, and with computers being able to make judgments and adjustments a billion times faster (and without human emotions), it's a no-brainer that the roads will be much safer.

I'm all for it.
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Trust is the ability to enjoy the journey. Listen in as Mariana Van Zeller talks to BMW technical product manager, Falk Schubert, on how BMW is creating a future you can trust with autonomous, self-driving vehicles. From driver assistance to continuous function testing, BMWs self-driving technology is at the frontier of driverless car development.

There has been and continues to be much confusion on autonomous driving technology. For reference, the NHTSA defines autonomous driving technology in five levels.

Level 5 means the vehicle is 100% able to travel from and to any destination or destinations, under all kinds of weather, under all kinds of traffic conditions, and in all situations WITHOUT the need of any input from the driver or occupant. Level 4 is able to do the same in MOST weather conditions, traffic conditions, and most situations, but not all.

For reference, we are at level 2 autonomous driving where the driver must remain alert, engaged and is responsible at all times, no exception. In level 2, a vehicle is able to stay in its lane, at a determined speed, change lanes, keep safe distance from vehicle ahead, and exit highway ramps without the need for input from the driver for a very SHORT and LIMITED amount of time.

We are very much far away from reaching level 4 or level 5 anytime soon. The challenges are much more complex, expensive, and bewildering than most people think to say the least. The technology is simply not here yet, never mind being ready and tested. This also does not include other factors such as red tape, infrastructure, insurance, changing current laws and motor vehicle regulations.

A good timeline estimation is that we won't see vehicles with Level 4 autonomy before the mid to late 2020's, and we won't reach Level 5 autonomy before 2030 or even the mid 2030's.

So for now, let us enjoy the concept of driving.
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Trust and safety are not always compatible! If we put too much trust in the autonomous driving, the driver will loos his focus and this will create a breach in the safety!

Autonomous driving will never be able to drive in all road conditions: Snow, rain, fog, road marking will affect the ability to let the car drive without the driver intervention.

Let's say we are driving on a perfect road with the perfect conditions, for some reason there's a hard braking situation in front of us, the autonomous car will be able to stop...but the 18 wheeler truck behind us will not be able to stop...a driver will change lane or go into the median or have a smaller lateral crash to avoid a deadly rear end crash with the truck...the computer will not...

We buy a BMW because we want to drive it. Period!
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The only reason with delaying the introduction of the technology is the consumer unacceptance of it... Fully autonomous is possible, but there's a long way to go for the consumer. Legislators and the Insurance lobby will be all over this as it comes to market here in the U.S., they're all drooling, waiting to slap their little surcharges and taxes on such a "luxury"... Lol

And yes, I buy all my cars to drive them, but there are uses for automatic driving, ie, long distance monotonous roads, self maintenance, self fueling, etc. There will be no need to stop and put gas in your car, when low, it'll let you know, you approve it and it will drive itself while you sleep to refuel. Same for oil changes, etc., so we will be able to enjoy more quality time with our cars
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yeah, all while Tesla has been marketing/beta testing Autopilot for like the last 8 years. Come one BMW, stop being so freaking conservative! Just release some of these damn cars and update with OTA fixes as you go. Tesla is literally beta testing Autopilot and they're managing to get people to pay them $7000 so they can navigate on Autopilot from A to B. Geezus Christ! People PAY Tesla for beta software and hardware and here BMW is trying to build trust in autonomous cars? BMW is being way too conservative and sticking to their old ways of doing things.
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For the vast majority of drivers, autonomous is the way of the future. A lot of accidents due to distraction and complete lack of awareness will be avoided that way.

Me? I just ordered a manual M4 without the driver assist package
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There has been and continues to be much confusion on autonomous driving technology. For reference, the NHTSA defines autonomous driving technology in five levels.

Level 5 means the vehicle is 100% able to travel from and to any destination or destinations, under all kinds of weather, under all kinds of traffic conditions, and in all situations WITHOUT the need of any input from the driver or occupant. Level 4 is able to do the same in MOST weather conditions, traffic conditions, and most situations, but not all.

For reference, we are at level 2 autonomous driving where the driver must remain alert, engaged and is responsible at all times, no exception. In level 2, a vehicle is able to stay in its lane, at a determined speed, change lanes, keep safe distance from vehicle ahead, and exit highway ramps without the need for input from the driver for a very SHORT and LIMITED amount of time.

We are very much far away from reaching level 4 or level 5 anytime soon. The challenges are much more complex, expensive, and bewildering than most people think to say the least. The technology is simply not here yet, never mind being ready and tested. This also does not include other factors such as red tape, infrastructure, insurance, changing current laws and motor vehicle regulations.

A good timeline estimation is that we won't see vehicles with Level 4 autonomy before the mid to late 2020's, and we won't reach Level 5 autonomy before 2030 or even the mid 2030's.

So for now, let us enjoy the concept of driving.
Well said. I think this is similar to EV's in that it is going to take time for the technology and acceptance to reach any kind of market saturation. Some folks out there, not just on this forum, seem to think we are going to wake up one day in the very near future and be living in an episode of the Jetsons. These changes are coming, I don't doubt that but I think you may be a bit conservative on your timeline.
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Why would anyone buys autonomous BMW?! Spend 50k+ to be slowest on the road. We buy BMW to drive not to be driven.
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Anywho... I'm not concerned about self-driving cars taking the steering wheel out of my hands anytime soon. That's still many decades away. Why... hackers.

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Public acceptance? yes my 14 year old son will enjoy the new teck without any hiccups, I'm 37 (raised in the 90's) I've been around teck my whole life, I like that it makes our life easier but I still will not use cruise control, i dunno, I did it once maybe twice and instantly felt not in control then hated it.

I drive 30k miles a year, I love cars, I have a mix of new and classic rides, I drive em all

Ya, count me in the "I don't trust it" crowd

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Can't trust BMW with technology when they still pump out 4:3 aspect ratio videos in 2020.
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I understand the need to pursue this technology, after all BMW is in a volume-driven business with competitors also developing autonomy.

With that being said, it's pretty much a shame because BMW used to literally be the "ultimate driving machine." With the way the world has changed over the past decade or so, consumers really want the opposite and BMW has obliged as evidenced by how differently their cars drive now compared to not even 10 yrs ago.

It's only a matter of time before the autonomy bug hits Porsche too. They keep hitting record sales thanks to the Macan and Cayenne, but unfortunately the majority of those buyers are status-obsessed and could care less about buying a Porsche for well...what they're known for. Oh the irony.
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