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Look, as I told Swamp, I'm perfectly willing to call out design differences, but my working definition is perfectly logical. As I also mentioned to him, even the EPA calls out differences. They say, as an example, that the SMG box in the M5 or M6 is an automatic, but go on to say that it's "select shift". That works for me. Why not for you? Bruce |
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NO, an SMG can be programmed to shift for you, but it is not an "Automatic transmission." I can see there is no argeuing about this technial side because you take everything to an opinion. The gearbox is what we are talking about, Some gear boxes just have gears, other have servos and valves and torque converters. Your obviously avoiding the technical aspect of this conversation for a reason. Either your purposely doing this or your ignorant of the facts. Automatics don't have clutches. Technically, they way they shift are different aswell. HERE, read that and educate yourself somewhat so you can enjoy the finer aspects of things to come. btw, your argeument is illogical and makes as much sense as calling an airplane sitting on the groound a Car, because it is not in the air, you cannot call it an Airplane... lol It works for you because you don't care to maintain a knowledge base from a engineering or technical aspect. -Garrett (more) Yes, really (having passenger shift for you), because that exactly the way the SMG works. When you operate the SMG in "automatic mode" is not an automatic, it just that the gear shifting is now shifting via a mini-computer in the engine bay. The gearbox (transmission) is still the same except, the outside input comes from the same computer that used to take YOUR inputs and relay them to the gearbox, now relays it's own input as when to shift. The gearbox still cannot shift on it's own, it's dumb it can only do what is physically told to do. Albeit from a mechanical cable attached to a stick, or an electrical wire attached to a tiny piston that actuats the gears simulating the cable.. which is CONTROLLED by the operator with paddle shifters or a seperate onboard computer. |
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This is hardly important, is it? In my words to Swamp, it's stupendously inconsequential. Having rebuilt both sticks and automatics over the years, my knowledge is at least sufficient to have an opinion and the ability to defend it. However, as you've cleverly discovered after however many days now, my argument is simply not technical, but practical. Technically, I'm perfectly OK with you calling out differences between gearboxes, and using specific names for them. Why aren't you OK with a practical argument? Bruce |
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Mercedes get the "big" picture but BMW has the small details you simply don't get anywhere else.
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I would take the M3 over the C63. Here is my review/observations when my friend and I took both cars out:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...ghlight=m3+c63
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What didn't you like about the C63 and what appeals to you about the M3? I was 51/49 in favor of the C63 and I need a new car early fall when my lease is up. I still am considering getting an M3 as it finishes its run.
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