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1 series sedan and hatch rwd would sell great here in the states. Don't understand why they don't bring the m135i here. Hatchbacks have been growing over the years. Even the x1 is as well. Only thing that is a shame is that the previous gen x1 feels so much more connected and drives much better then it's newer counterpart.
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The 2 series Active tourer, grand tourer, the F48 (new X1) and now the 1 series sedan is all based on UKL, hence the Haldex solution with FWD as default. The branding X-drive is no longer one technical solution, but a mere branding, as Quattro is, which imo, is a shame. It's a cheaper solution with a different set up, than the X-drive natural RWD by default.
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Until very recently, Haldex worked solely by detecting slip at the front wheels, which would trigger the engagement of a clutch that drives the real wheels. The mechanism that enacts this engagement has changed over time, but the fundamental issue has always been that the front tires must slip before the rear differential is engaged. The most recent revision to Haldex (offered in the TT RS) uses additional factors to determine when to engage the rear differential. The system is new though, so the jury is still out. Once you have front wheel slip, you have understeer. There's simply no way around that, and so Haldex equipped cars are (er, were?) plagued with FWD-like understeer. It is possible to "power through" the understeer — when in doubt, throttle out — but it doesn't deliver a remarkably enjoyable driving experience for most people. If your needs are practical, then Haldex is fine. It'll get your car going in the snow/mud way better than FWD. BMW has built its brand on something more than practicality though. "The Ultimate Driving Machine" shouldn't push through corners like a tractor. Admittedly, that is a severe indictment of a car that hasn't even been released yet, and as everyone loves to point out, the Mini Cooper is a hilariously fun-to-drive FWD car. Still, it is a little discouraging to see the market developing like this. At the entry-point of the market, FWD or FWD-biased AWD systems appear to be your only options.
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He already stated the company is irrelevant as a performance marque: "BMW has ceased to be a company designing responsive, sporting cars for enthusiasts. " http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...bob-lutz-july/ It must be frustrating for the inventor of the "Ultimate Driving Machine" to live to see current management neuter the brand into a more-expensive and less-reliable Lexus copy-cat. The 1-series ought to be BMWs best-effort interpretation of a modern sports sedan. Only current management could take that beautiful chassis and transform it into a smart car eco-box wanna be.
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<<It's not that Americans don't like small cars. Americans don't like hatchbacks -- and so-called 'hot' hatchbacks in particular. For decades, dozens of hatches have either not made the U.S. market (any one of a number of European models, including the M135i), have been sold here but then eliminated (the WRX/STi five-door comes immediately to mind, as does the Civic Si three-door and the Mazda2), or have been marketed incorrectly and sold poorly. The only ones that tend to do reasonably well are either niche or fashionable models (the MINI falls into this category, as does the Fiat 500) or are out-and-out economy cars (Prius, Chevy Sonic, Ford Fiesta, dirt-cheap Kias and Hyundais) These days, the biggest reason they don't 'take' is because of the proliferation of small SUVs -- which, I might add, do not sell well pretty much anywhere else in the world but here. The SUV phenomenon is also related to the reason why station wagons (i.e., five-door cars with a liftgate instead of a trunk) no longer sell. Believe it or not, the government categorizes almost all five-door hatchbacks as 'station wagons' now -- even the Sonic and the Golf.>> Since that post, the 2-door version of the Golf (including the GTI) has been discontinued, and though Chevy is marketing the new Cruze Hatch, it will almost certainly not sell to individuals nearly as much as to rental and company fleets. Also, sorry: the X1 is a small SUV, and is marketed and certified as such ... and there's a reason Audi doesn't sell the A1 here, VW doesn't sell the Polo here, M-B has never sold its A-class cars here, etc. (Oh, and not only all of that, but it's just not cost effective for a foreign car company to crash-certify a low-margin vehicle with the FMVSS like a smaller hatchback. Why? Again: they don't sell. it's simply not worth it.) Smaller hatchbacks are not growing in the U.S. They are shrinking. What is starting to sell some, however, are large luxury hatches like the Audi A7 and Porsche Panamera. My bet is that both BMW and M-B have a version of this kind of car for sale by 2021.
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To debut tomorrow built and developed for China at the current time but Yes it could be built in a UKL+ plant. Such as Leipzig,Regensburg or even new plants in Brazil or Mexico or it could be manufactured at the Nedcar factory in the Netherlands alongside the MINI. Or even the UK? Of course that is hypothetical.
BMW do see potential in other markets that is something they won't officially deny. Especially in the US, Russia or even India. The car has also been developed for other global markets should the need arise. For now though its specifically for China.
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Now unveiled. The New BMW 1er Sedan.
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