[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

ive got news for you if you think a $70k truck is a loaded status symbol. A $70k truck is about a middle of the road F150. I know, I just bought one as my work truck. A fully loaded and optioned out f150 is about 90k

You obviously make much than the average person if you think a $70k truck isn't a big deal. A limited is $77k, and anyone who pays above MSRP is functionally, well we aren't supposed to use that word.

Not to mention I was making fun of an electric truck and you were so insulted about your own choice you felt the need to bring up a different truck that you overpaid for?

I don't understand why you're upset about something I wasn't even talking about.

Saying a $70k F150 is middle of the road. How out of touch are you?

https://shop.ford.com/configure/f150/model/customize

[Alfisti]

TBH I think it differs depending where you are. Transaction prices here on F150's are indeed well into the 70's. Which is just fucking amazing really.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

TBH I think it differs depending where you are. Transaction prices here on F150's are indeed well into the 70's. Which is just fucking amazing really.

Just going on his profile which says CO, so I'm assuming Colorado, in the states.

I'm not mad or upset, I think sometimes people at the upper levels of income lose touch with normal people. I'm right in the middle, I make a bit more than the average person, but I also don't make big bank like some of the guys here.

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

You obviously make much than the average person if you think a $70k truck isn't a big deal. A limited is $77k, and anyone who pays above MSRP is functionally, well we aren't supposed to use that word.

Not to mention I was making fun of an electric truck and you were so insulted about your own choice you felt the need to bring up a different truck that you overpaid for?

I don't understand why you're upset about something I wasn't even talking about.

Saying a $70k F150 is middle of the road. How out of touch are you?

https://shop.ford.com/configure/f150/model/customize

limited starts at 77k. Fully loaded limited is $86k before delivery. just like the lariat i just got with an MSRP of 71k starts at 49k and mine isnt even fully loaded for a lariat (81k for fully loaded). Even the XLT gets up to 70k with cloth seats when you load it up. Look at Ram and GM as well. Those top 80k msrp fully loaded.

my point is, trucks arent cheap. and a 70k truck like the rivian isnt the most expensive option. hell, with the tax credits, its one of the cheaper options with the features you get in it.

fwiw, i also paid below MSRP, both the $67k MSRP of the truck when i ordered and the updated MSRP of 71k when it showed up. Still was 70k otd.

Originally Posted by Alfisti

TBH I think it differs depending where you are. Transaction prices here on F150's are indeed well into the 70's. Which is just fucking amazing really.

Just MSRPs of f150s are well in to the 70s. Before you even add any packages on something bare bones like the XLT, if you want it in 4wd with an engine other than the 2.7L, youre in to the mid 50s. Once you add options that give you basic things like heated seats and power adjustable seats, youre in to the 60s, and then add in the rest of the features that youd expect on a truck, your pushing 70k. Thats with cloth seats.

I'll admit, f150s tend to be a little more than the other brands, but GM/Ram are not far behind them. Equally optioned (minus the highway hands free) to my f150 Ram was $69k and GM was 70k.

[///d]

Speaking of prices, I was recently looking at the Jeep Gladiator Rubicon with the diesel... started at $49k, built the way I wanted was $64k. Then add another $20k+ for better wheels, ties, suspension, rear rack for roof top tent, etc and you've quickly got yourself a overland setup that's creeping towards that 100k mark. You'll never want to take anywhere because of what you have invested into it.

But... $64k for a Jeep... a JEEP! Granted that has options like drivers assist and such, but still, its a tin can on wheels.

Americas "need" for trucks has inflated the price of them. Everyone thinks you NEED a full size truck to pull anything, to go on anything thats not asphalt of concrete, or to drive in the winter. Visit many other parts of the world and full size trucks are rare. I grew up with trucks and I do understand the convenience of them, but I fell they have been price gouging us for years.

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by ///d

Speaking of prices, I was recently looking at the Jeep Gladiator Rubicon with the diesel... started at $49k, built the way I wanted was $64k. Then add another $20k+ for better wheels, ties, suspension, rear rack for roof top tent, etc and you've quickly got yourself a overland setup that's creeping towards that 100k mark. You'll never want to take anywhere because of what you have invested into it.

But... $64k for a Jeep... a JEEP! Granted that has options like drivers assist and such, but still, its a tin can on wheels.

Americas "need" for trucks has inflated the price of them. Everyone thinks you NEED a full size truck to pull anything, to go on anything thats not asphalt of concrete, or to drive in the winter. Visit many other parts of the world and full size trucks are rare. I grew up with trucks and I do understand the convenience of them, but I fell they have been price gouging us for years.

Holy cow the prices of Gladiators have shot up. I spec'd and ordered a Rubicon that I took delivery of in late 2019. Just spec'd it the exact same way I took delivery of mine. Its MSRP is effectively $10k MORE than I paid for mine

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

ive got news for you if you think a $70k truck is a loaded status symbol. A $70k truck is about a middle of the road F150. I know, I just bought one as my work truck. A fully loaded and optioned out f150 is about 90k

i'll agree with you there. A cayman/boxster is more status symbol that a 90k truck. you don't have to make sacrifices with a truck or big sedan.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

limited starts at 77k. Fully loaded limited is $86k before delivery. just like the lariat i just got with an MSRP of 71k starts at 49k and mine isnt even fully loaded for a lariat (81k for fully loaded). Even the XLT gets up to 70k with cloth seats when you load it up. Look at Ram and GM as well. Those top 80k msrp fully loaded.

my point is, trucks arent cheap. and a 70k truck like the rivian isnt the most expensive option. hell, with the tax credits, its one of the cheaper options with the features you get in it.

fwiw, i also paid below MSRP, both the $67k MSRP of the truck when i ordered and the updated MSRP of 71k when it showed up. Still was 70k otd.



Just MSRPs of f150s are well in to the 70s. Before you even add any packages on something bare bones like the XLT, if you want it in 4wd with an engine other than the 2.7L, youre in to the mid 50s. Once you add options that give you basic things like heated seats and power adjustable seats, youre in to the 60s, and then add in the rest of the features that youd expect on a truck, your pushing 70k. Thats with cloth seats.

I'll admit, f150s tend to be a little more than the other brands, but GM/Ram are not far behind them. Equally optioned (minus the highway hands free) to my f150 Ram was $69k and GM was 70k.

Where did I say trucks were cheap? I said they are lifestyle vehicles that most people don't need or have a use for. The upper middle class buy trucks now instead of the BMW/Audi/Mercs they used to buy.

That isn't any kind of insult, it's just a factual observation.

Originally Posted by ///d

Speaking of prices, I was recently looking at the Jeep Gladiator Rubicon with the diesel... started at $49k, built the way I wanted was $64k. Then add another $20k+ for better wheels, ties, suspension, rear rack for roof top tent, etc and you've quickly got yourself a overland setup that's creeping towards that 100k mark. You'll never want to take anywhere because of what you have invested into it.

But... $64k for a Jeep... a JEEP! Granted that has options like drivers assist and such, but still, its a tin can on wheels.

Americas "need" for trucks has inflated the price of them. Everyone thinks you NEED a full size truck to pull anything, to go on anything thats not asphalt of concrete, or to drive in the winter. Visit many other parts of the world and full size trucks are rare. I grew up with trucks and I do understand the convenience of them, but I fell they have been price gouging us for years.

Thanks, you got my point.

[OkieSnuffBox]

The people driving $80k trucks, are also likely the people that have Home Depot/Lowes delivered and have someone else taking care of their landscaping (like we do).

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Where did I say trucks were cheap? I said they are lifestyle vehicles that most people don't need or have a use for. The upper middle class buy trucks now instead of the BMW/Audi/Mercs they used to buy.

I guess we have different definitions of "now" considering the F150 has been the best selling vehicle in the US for like 40 years.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by RM7

That's not the same slope and you know that's a red herring.

Can your F-350 do what the Rivian did in Moab? To many people, off-road capability is what makes a truck a truck.

Not directed at me and I've never driven the Rivian, however I'm a right tool for the job kind of guy. I'm not sure what the Rivian did in Moab, however I have an F350 because it can tow a 32' travel trailer across the country like it's nothing. A 48 gallon tank also gets me a long way before having to refuel and being diesel means refueling is a breeze at the truck stop with trailer in tow.

If I didn't have the trailer I would totally have an F150 and if I could actually go out and buy one for $70k I would strongly consider a Rivian. I actually had an F150 when I had a smaller trailer, but we got a bigger one at some point and it was just too much for our F150.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i'll agree with you there. A cayman/boxster is more status symbol that a 90k truck. you don't have to make sacrifices with a truck or big sedan.

20 years ago, sure.

Now, the overpowered trucks fitted out like Cadillacs are absolutely a status symbol...in the the exact same way.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

The people driving $80k trucks, are also likely the people that have Home Depot/Lowes delivered and have someone else taking care of their landscaping (like we do).

100%. Luxury trucks are mostly for grocery shopping and an occasional family trip (although most luxury truck owners also tend to own a Tahoe).

[damnitBobby]

Looks cool but falls short of true pick up truck duties: towing long distance, going off-road where there isn't going to be a charging station, driving through bad storms where there will be a high chance of a power outage, long term reliability, etc.

I mean I'm all for EVs but I certainly am not going to buy this first generation of EVs that have questionable durability in the long term. Once the second generation rolls around (and the infrastructure hopefully has developed) I will definitely be looking at an EV.

[P1]

Every time I see one that front end (with those goofy lights) reminds me of a Japanese anime character.

[Conissah]

Y'all complaining about the price of the R1T but GM just dropped a new Canyon for 2023 (midsize truck) AT4X Edition 1 at a whopping $63,995 before freight charge...

[freakystyly]

The Powerboost engines (F-150 Hybrid) only start in the Limited trim so base cost is $81k (USD) before any other options. My boss picked one up and my jaw dropped after looking up the pricing.

[Germanauto]

Congrats OP. Not a truck person myself, but if I had to get one this would be it.

I'm curious about the Rivian's actual usability though. Going away with the family to some rural spot or ski trip for the weekend seems out of question with EVs at the moment.

[Kief]

I'm definitely interested, but too impatient to wait.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Congrats OP. Not a truck person myself, but if I had to get one this would be it.

I'm curious about the Rivian's actual usability though. Going away with the family to some rural spot or ski trip for the weekend seems out of question with EVs at the moment.

I got friends that drive their model 3 from Denver up to WP and back, I'm sure there are many more. In Whistler, BC, there were tons and tons of Model Ss, most driven from Vancouver area. Plenty of places where this would work just fine, like Sacramento to Tahoe, etc.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by RM7

I got friends that drive their model 3 from Denver up to WP and back, I'm sure there are many more. In Whistler, BC, there were tons and tons of Model Ss, most driven from Vancouver area. Plenty of places where this would work just fine, like Sacramento to Tahoe, etc.

Vancouver to Whistler is a pretty short drive. But yeah at the popular destinations I'm sure EV charging stations are popping up.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by RM7

I got friends that drive their model 3 from Denver up to WP and back, I'm sure there are many more. In Whistler, BC, there were tons and tons of Model Ss, most driven from Vancouver area. Plenty of places where this would work just fine, like Sacramento to Tahoe, etc.

This is one thing Tesla has an advantage on is their supercharger network. I went from FL to NC and back recently in the model 3 and it was actually easier and more enjoyable that I anticipated.

Originally Posted by freakystyly

The Powerboost engines (F-150 Hybrid) only start in the Limited trim so base cost is $81k (USD) before any other options. My boss picked one up and my jaw dropped after looking up the pricing.

Is this a new thing? Because when I was looking you could get the hybrid at least Lariet and Platinum which are the trims I was looking at.