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      02-19-2017, 04:37 PM   #1
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F48's Assembled In Brazil

I've been shopping the F48 X1 and just noticed today that some of them on the dealer's lot were assembled in Brazil while other weren't. Does anyone happen to know what determines where they come from? It may just be demand but any insight would be appreciated. I guess I'd prefer something from a European plant, but it might not be a deal breaker in the end. Thanks for any information.

I have a 328i X Drive from South Africa and it's been rock solid. That plant has been operating for quite some time.
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The German Regensburg plant is unable to meet demand even running at full capacity.

The BMW Brazil plant has been helping out building X1 (among others they assemble) for the North and South American markets.
This is not full production but CKD kits (Knocked down kits) assembly. (South Africa does full production, not CKD)

BMW has teamed up with VDL Nedcar in the Netherlands to set up another large X1 line in Europe to help meet demand, but that line is not operational yet.


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http://www.just-auto.com/news/bmw-br..._id169279.aspx
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BMW's Araquari assembly plant in the state of Santa Catarina will begin exports of 10,000 units of the X1 small SUV to the US in July.

The automaker will create 300 new temporary jobs (dedicated to the programme until December), on top of the 700 already in the plant opened 19 months ago, the first factory for a premium brand under the new Inovar-Auto programme rules.

According to BMW, there is increasingly strong demand for the X1 in the US and exports from Brazil will complement vehicles currently supplied exclusively from Regensburg in southern Germany.

When announcing the initial Brazil factory project three and a half years ago, BMW did not plan exports. But the Brazilian real devaluation to the dollar in the last 18 months and increasingly excess capacity has opened this window of opportunity.

"Besides being a challenging one, this project is strategic for the operation of our plant in a way that it lets us [utilise] in a more effective manner the local production capacity," said Araquari chief Carsten Stöcjer.

Three versions of the X1 XDrive 28i will be shipped to the US, all powered by the I4, two-litre/122 cubic inch TwinTurbo petrol engine, rated at 237 bhp and 258 lbf·ft of torque.

[Editor's note: This isn't the first time premium German cars have been assembled in Brazil from CKD kits for the US market. In the early 2000s and again in the mid-2000s, a local Mercedes-Benz plant built C-class sedans for the US and Canada. That project was mainly to assign work to the plant after an ambitious plan to assemble the smaller A-class in large volume for South America failed.]
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The German Regensburg plant is unable to meet demand even running at full capacity.

The BMW Brazil plant has been helping out building X1 (among others they assemble) for the North and South American markets.
This is not full production but CKD kits (Knocked down kits) assembly. (South Africa does full production, not CKD)

BMW has teamed up with VDL Nedcar in the Netherlands to set up another large X1 line in Europe to help meet demand, but that line is not operational yet.


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http://www.just-auto.com/news/bmw-br..._id169279.aspx
Thanks for the info/article. I searched, but didn't see this one. It's probably too early to know much about the quality of the X1's coming out of the Brazilian plant.
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BMW can't afford "bad" quality out of Brazil.

The tricky thing is bodypaint - the rest is just "simple" process and quality control.

Obviously there will be no press-and bodyshop, so complete bodies shipped - they can as well be painted.

Regensburg is going to be busy.

I take it NEDCAR will build and paint bodies - but probably not press bodyparts.
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I take it NEDCAR will build and paint bodies - but probably not press bodyparts.
Why ?

BMW does not press the bodyparts themselves here for the 3 Series.

The dies belong to BMW but its a separate private company that presses the parts for them.
Same company does parts for other manufacturers here like Nissan.

Steyer magna will press 5 Series parts when the 2nd 5 Series line opens in Austria
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My X1 was assembled in Brazil. The quality is great, and I haven't experienced anything that raises concern. Having owned plenty of new vehicles, I'm used to having to get at least something manufacturing-related taken care of..I haven't had to do any of that with my X1.

I really could care less where it's manufactured as long as it lives up to my standards.
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E90, obviously Regensburg/supplier has capacity to press parts also for Brazil this year. Then they will have capacity to press also for NEDCAR - then no extra set of tools. It is low cost to ship from Regensburg to Holland.

If Steyr Magna will have extra tool set, then current is fully utilised. Steyr has flexible bodyshop, so "no problem" to assemble bodies out of the pressed parts.
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Kansas, many years ago Ford made a low cost/low quality Escort in Brazil. Since, a lot of people are wary of Brazil.
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E90, obviously Regensburg/supplier has capacity to press parts also for Brazil this year. Then they will have capacity to press also for NEDCAR - then no extra set of tools. It is low cost to ship from Regensburg to Holland.

If Steyr Magna will have extra tool set, then current is fully utilised. Steyr has flexible bodyshop, so "no problem" to assemble bodies out of the pressed parts.
Assuming the Brazil production stops when NEDCAR starts.
If both keep running there may not be enough

Depends on X1 demand
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Correct!
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Kansas, many years ago Ford made a low cost/low quality Escort in Brazil. Since, a lot of people are wary of Brazil.
I can definitely understand that. I'm wary of Ford in general, however, after owning a SVT Focus many years back. Reliability wasn't an issue, but the quality definitely felt subpar. I have no idea where that car was manufactured though.

With my X1, I haven't had any reason to be wary of Brazil. My ownership thus far has been great. I'm also not worried about longevity since I won't own the vehicle past warranty/maintenance coverage anyway. As long as it gives me a hassle-free ownership until I move on to the next thing toward the end of its coverage, I'm happy.
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I'm close to purchasing a X1 that is MFD in Brazil. This thread hasn't be active over a year, so has anybody (that has a X1 MFD from Brazil) have any positive or negative feedback? This is like a game breaker for me.
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No issues with MY 2017. Fit and finish as BMW expects.
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No issues with MY 2017. Fit and finish as BMW expects.
That is good to hear positive feedback... I'm in a bind... I see one for $32,888 (w/Brazil) and typical made in Germany for $33,888. $1000 difference. Hard decisions to make lol...
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My Brazil assembled 2017 X1 was problem free. No squeaks, creaks or rattles. No warranty work either. It was a great little CUV.
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My Brazil assembled 2017 X1 was problem free. No squeaks, creaks or rattles. No warranty work either. It was a great little CUV.
Bob... Thanks for the positive feedback! After reading many articles and forum entries, BMW does have a supply and demand issue with X1's and expanding the manufacturing to other places to help alleviate the supply and demand issue is key.

Just thinking that the X1 was assembled in Brazil than Germany give me like second thoughts, on the other hand, getting positive reviews puts ease in making the purchasing decision.
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Where did you see the Brazil version. I visited several dealers, all of them were made in Germany.
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You can look it up on the Vin# or when going to the dealer you can see the paperwork and it will say "X1 SAV w/Brazil". Within that line of verbiage.


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Mine was assembled in Brazil and I had zero problems with it. 16.000 miles. The Brazilian factory is quite new and it's mostly automated, thus the lesser skilled workers (compared to Germans) won't have any chance to compromise quality.
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