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      11-09-2018, 08:50 AM   #1
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Dems are trying to steal elections in Arizona and Florida

It's not the Russians you need to worry about when it comes to voter fraud in this country, it's the Dems.

Candidates that trail all day on election day, all of a sudden showing significant gains 48 hours after the polls closed!
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I don't know how they keep getting away with it.
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Hopefully something done about it, even in election the are clearly going to win they cheat in.
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It's not the Russians you need to worry about when it comes to voter fraud in this country, it's the Dems.

Candidates that trail all day on election day, all of a sudden showing significant gains 48 hours after the polls closed!
What's your source for this accusation?
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Snipes has been charged with allegedly being in violation of the Florida Constitution and the Florida Public Records Act. The charges are that the election supervisor there illegally used her own judgment to determine voter intent when reviewing damaged or incorrectly filled-out absentee ballots, while refusing to allow impartial witnesses to monitor the process.

Additional charges have been made against Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections Susan Bucher, which allege that officials illegally refused to allow Republicans, or any witnesses, to monitor the county's handling of damaged absentee ballots. Further, charges against Bucher state that she "failed to allow the Palm Beach County Canvassing Board" to determine, as required by law, which damaged or improperly filled-out absentee ballots were valid and how the voters of those ballots had intended to vote. Instead, Bucher and her staff simply used their own judgment when determining voters' intent.


There has not been a trial or hearing, so at this time I will withold judgement. If the allegations are true, however, this is really sad and is completely unacceptable in our society. The punishments should be excessive so as to warrant no further attempts at voter fraud/suppresion in the future by either party.
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Counting every vote = stealing an election. Ok, gotcha.
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Counting every vote = stealing an election. Ok, gotcha.
he didnt read...
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      11-09-2018, 09:39 AM   #8
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he didnt read...
California still has 4.5 million votes to count. Are you suggesting they stop counting votes because it isn't Nov 6 anymore?
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Snipes has been charged with allegedly being in violation of the Florida Constitution and the Florida Public Records Act. The charges are that the election supervisor there illegally used her own judgment to determine voter intent when reviewing damaged or incorrectly filled-out absentee ballots, while refusing to allow impartial witnesses to monitor the process.

Additional charges have been made against Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections Susan Bucher, which allege that officials illegally refused to allow Republicans, or any witnesses, to monitor the county's handling of damaged absentee ballots. Further, charges against Bucher state that she "failed to allow the Palm Beach County Canvassing Board" to determine, as required by law, which damaged or improperly filled-out absentee ballots were valid and how the voters of those ballots had intended to vote. Instead, Bucher and her staff simply used their own judgment when determining voters' intent.


There has not been a trial or hearing, so at this time I will withold judgement. If the allegations are true, however, this is really sad and is completely unacceptable in our society. The punishments should be excessive so as to warrant no further attempts at voter fraud/suppresion in the future by either party.
These charges have been levied with ZERO evidence.

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/09/66601...fgXCMxFB0XXKF4
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Yep, the complaints are out there and public.

The proper authorities should investigate and act according to state and local laws.

Until then......
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She has a history and has been convicted in the past for voter fraud:

A judge convicted Snipes and ruled in 2016 that she violated federal election law by prematurely destroying ballots from a congressional race that were relevant to an outstanding lawsuit against her office. As a result, the Florida Department of State said elections experts would be dispatched to monitor Snipes’s office in all future elections to “ensure that all laws are followed.”

Snipes was once again chastised by a judge in court in February of this year after admitting that she was opening mail-in ballots before the Board of Elections had the opportunity to examine the ballots and determine their authenticity.


But yeah, nothing to see here - baseless allegations.

Again - not saying she did anything wrong, as we don't really know. Based on her previous history of run-in's with the law over voter fraud, however, I believe that the current charges are worthy of investigation.
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She has a history and has been convicted in the past for voter fraud:

A judge convicted Snipes and ruled in 2016 that she violated federal election law by prematurely destroying ballots from a congressional race that were relevant to an outstanding lawsuit against her office. As a result, the Florida Department of State said elections experts would be dispatched to monitor Snipes’s office in all future elections to “ensure that all laws are followed.”

Snipes was once again chastised by a judge in court in February of this year after admitting that she was opening mail-in ballots before the Board of Elections had the opportunity to examine the ballots and determine their authenticity.


But yeah, nothing to see here - baseless allegations.

Again - not saying she did anything wrong, as we don't really know. Based on her previous history of run-in's with the law over voter fraud, however, I believe that the current charges are worthy of investigation.
Until there are accusations that have basis in facts, this is all speculation. You have come in here banging the drum of "DUE PROCESS" before. Why not listen to your own opinions?
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She has a history and has been convicted in the past for voter fraud:

A judge convicted Snipes and ruled in 2016 that she violated federal election law by prematurely destroying ballots from a congressional race that were relevant to an outstanding lawsuit against her office. As a result, the Florida Department of State said elections experts would be dispatched to monitor Snipes’s office in all future elections to “ensure that all laws are followed.”

Snipes was once again chastised by a judge in court in February of this year after admitting that she was opening mail-in ballots before the Board of Elections had the opportunity to examine the ballots and determine their authenticity.


But yeah, nothing to see here - baseless allegations.

Again - not saying she did anything wrong, as we don't really know. Based on her previous history of run-in's with the law over voter fraud, however, I believe that the current charges are worthy of investigation.
So, did the Florida Dept of State have election experts monitoring her office during these elections?
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Until there are accusations that have basis in facts, this is all speculation. You have come in here banging the drum of "DUE PROCESS" before. Why not listen to your own opinions?

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There has not been a trial or hearing, so at this time I will withold judgement.
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Again - not saying she did anything wrong, as we don't really know.

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So, did the Florida Dept of State have election experts monitoring her office during these elections?


I believe the answer is no, which is part of the current validity of the charges against her. At this time, however, I am not sure if that has been confirmed.


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I believe the answer is no, which is part of the current validity of the charges against her. At this time, however, I am not sure if that has been confirmed.


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If the answer is "no", the question is why the hell not?

However, the lack of oversight does not add to the validity of the charges, it simply doesn't diminish it.

Show me some evidence to suggest a probable cause for investigation.
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If the answer is "no", the question is why the hell not?

However, the lack of oversight does not add to the validity of the charges, it simply doesn't diminish it.

Show me some evidence to suggest a probable cause for investigation.


I think that is the 'wait and see' part. There appears to be some shady things going on down in Broward County and they have had some past history of a similar nature.

So at this time, I think there is enough smoke to warrant someone going down there to look around and see if there is indeed probable cause for an investigation, or if this is just a stunt by the opposing Republican party.

At this point, I think it is safe to agree it is worth it to 'look into the claims' and see if any further action is warranted. Would you agree?
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I think that is the 'wait and see' part. There appears to be some shady things going on down in Broward County and they have had some past history of a similar nature.

So at this time, I think there is enough smoke to warrant someone going down there to look around and see if there is indeed probable cause for an investigation, or if this is just a stunt by the opposing Republican party.

At this point, I think it is safe to agree it is worth it to 'look into the claims' and see if any further action is warranted. Would you agree?
I thought I already did?


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Yep, the complaints are out there and public.

The proper authorities should investigate and act according to state and local laws.

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If what was written above is correct, she refused to allow oversite officials to watch her count "damaged" ballots.

How the FAWK do ballots get "damaged"???
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If what was written above is correct, she refused to allow oversite officials to watch her count "damaged" ballots.

How the FAWK do ballots get "damaged"???

Cause, Florida.


I lived there for 25 years. Broward, Dade, and Palm Beach counties are certifiably insane, lol.
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If what was written above is correct, she refused to allow oversite officials to watch her count "damaged" ballots.

How the FAWK do ballots get "damaged"???
The question is: How the fuck does the Florida Dept of State allow her to "refuse" anything that is part of a judicial punishment?????
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Wasn't the entire state finished with final tallies on time, except Broward county?
Yet again.

From what I read, monitors were not allowed in to the records room.
If that's their job, I am only left with wtf.
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