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Yes, Trump is doing a great job! 60 60.61%
No, Trump is doing a terrible job! 39 39.39%
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      02-27-2020, 05:15 PM   #111
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I can't vote on your poll cause it isn't black or white.

First off I have been unhappy with the job the US federal government has done for 30 years. Primarily - massive national debt. it isn't just one party or president either. it has been a joint effort by all of them we have sent to DC. The few who tried to change that course (ala Newt Gingrich) get crucified and driven from power.

I am also unhappy how the feds have expanded their power into areas they shouldn't. And Trump is no exception.

In that lens how do I view Trump? Well, he is less bad than Obama but not good so how would I vote in your poll?

He is also likely less bad than any democrat running so again I will vote for him. The crazed democrat party that has drifted so far left leaves anyone with a rational brain no option there. How sad is that?

I wish it was different. And I only hope my life ends naturally before the end game of this debt bomb comes home to roost. I don't wish to be in my 70s-80s during a world wide depression. it will suck bad enough for those young and healthy.
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What objectively measurable aspects of his job performance are you so dissatisfied with. I'm asking seriously.
1. Job creation
2. Debt
3. GDP
4. Will not even attempt to work with the House.
5. Claims to support the military yet lied about the size of pay raises and Choice program which was signed into law by prior admin., attacked McCain. Still hasn't acknowledged the severity of injuries from the Iran missile attack. Yes, I'm a vet, not a coward like some.
6. Internal destruction of government. Like it or not, 325m citizens can't be governed with an organization the the size of a rural town.
7. The constant lying about so many things that are easily discredited. It's almost like he does it for sport.
8. He deflects all criticism, claiming it to be an attack on all Americans or Our Country.
9. He is the president of All of US yet makes no attempt to address the concerns of those that didn't drink the kool aid. He is in fact spiteful at every opportunity.
10. Having a different opinion doesn't mean somebody hates America or is actively plotting the demise of the country with some type of glee.
11. Misinformation about Coronavirus. None of us have a crystal ball but some have expertise in the field. Unless he slept at a Holiday Inn Express he should defer to the experts. It's incomprehensible that anyone thinks this is part of some plot against him.
12. Reversal of environmental protections for air and water.

Just to start....
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1. Job creation You're joking.
2. Debt I can see this.
3. GDP You're joking.
4. Will not even attempt to work with the House. They were trying to impeach him from the day he took office.
5. Claims to support the military yet lied about the size of pay raises and Choice program which was signed into law by prior admin., attacked McCain. Still hasn't acknowledged the severity of injuries from the Iran missile attack. Yes, I'm a vet, not a coward like some. I am too. I disagree with most of what you typed.
6. Internal destruction of government. Like it or not, 325m citizens can't be governed with an organization the the size of a rural town. If you don't think the government is too large, you haven't been in a governmental building lately. Do the calculations on how much service comes out vs. dollars going in.
7. The constant lying about so many things that are easily discredited. It's almost like he does it for sport. Just like any politician. Don't just start with him. They all lie. What do you think of Schiff's lies.
8. He deflects all criticism, claiming it to be an attack on all Americans or Our Country. All? Untrue.
9. He is the president of All of US yet makes no attempt to address the concerns of those that didn't drink the kool aid. He is in fact spiteful at every opportunity.To the winners go the spoils. You guys lost. Man up.
10. Having a different opinion doesn't mean somebody hates America or is actively plotting the demise of the country with some type of glee. But it is a fact that the Dems plotted his downfall from the day he took office.
11. Misinformation about Coronavirus. None of us have a crystal ball but some have expertise in the field. Unless he slept at a Holiday Inn Express he should defer to the experts. It's incomprehensible that anyone thinks this is part of some plot against him. What misinformation? Did you actually watch the press conference or did you get the "edits" from MSNBC or CNN?
12. Reversal of environmental protections for air and water.Reduction of onerous rules that damaged the country.

Just to start....
Please continue...
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      02-28-2020, 06:12 AM   #114
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There are times when the stock market, and the economy do well (2014, 2017). I was responding to a blanket statement that the two are not related. I correctly pointed out they WERE directly related in the case of the GREAT DEPRESSION.

Not surprised the neither you, minn, or holligan could comprehend that.


Consider the source
I fully agree, that holligan is a moron....


ProTip - I never claimed the stock market at the economy aren't related.

Keep doing your thang, though. It's wonderfully entertaining.
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Please continue...
just some facts;
1: Jobs 2014-2016; 7,672m total, 213k monthly avg. 2107-2019; 6,771m total, 188 monthly avg. 900k fewer jobs for comparable 36 month periods. I even gave Trump all of Jan 2017 despite not taking office until the 20th.
https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cesnaicsrev.htm#2019

2: GDP 2014-2016; 2.3% avg. 2017-2109 2.5% avg. Slightly better avg which would be great if it didn't come at the cost of the Tax Cut & Jobs Act.
The TCJA appears to have given a bump in 2018 GDP @ 2.9%. Any benefit appears to have dissipated in 2019. 2017 2.4%, 2018 2.9%, 2019 2.3%. Averaging 2017 & 2019 gets you 2.35%, roughly inline with 2014-2016 and more likely in 2020.

Greatest economy ever...that's the joke.

3: TCJA didn't provide the boost in jobs or GDP that was projected.
https://www.dallasfed.org/research/papers/2018/wp1803
https://taxfoundation.org/tax-cuts-j...pact-by-state/

4: Military pay raise. Annual pay raises are determined by statute.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/5303
The following provide a complete overview of military pay raises.
https://militarypay.defense.gov/Pay/Basic-Pay/FAQ/
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/IF10260.pdf
The presidents budgets never exceeded the ECI.
His claim of no pay raises for 10 yrs is clearly wrong. His claim that he gave them a 10% raise is also a lie. Listen to the words fall out of his mouth as he lies directly to active duty personnel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuqYPUogxVI

5: Veterans Choice. Signed into law in 2014. 54 pages.
https://www.congress.gov/113/plaws/p...113publ146.pdf

Trump signed the extension in 2017 as the original law had a 3 yr expiration.
It is (1) page long and addresses 3 issues, the extension of the original law being the only material issue.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...-bill/544/text
The signing ceremony for the extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13vTUWzBL8c
Trump lays the groundwork to claim Veterans Choice as a law he originated.
If the claims from the signing ceremony are to ambiguous then lets listen to him spell it out clearly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCjuIfJNsd4

Trump could have simply taken credit for the extension (which he deserves),but that is never enough for him.
I've never met anybody that approves of someone taking credit for others work.

6: McCain: We all know what Trump said about McCain's POW status.

7: Coronavirus: I watched the entire conference and that is why I made the remark I did. He has only reinforced my opinion since then by constantly offering a different narrative than the professionals.

8: All politicians do not lie. That is a cynical smear of hundreds of people you don't know in the slightest.

I will give you one more Trump lie. In a Nov WH press release, 3rd para, the claim is made that 7 million jobs have been created since his election.
That part is correct since it states since the election. Talking credit for jobs created while he wasn't president but not outright lying about it is exactly what you might expect from most politicians, framing their point out of context.
Where this press release goes off the rails is the claim that the 7m jobs are 5.1m more jobs than projected by the CBO in its final forecast prior to the election.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/...-expectations/
Lets go to the CBO forecast;
https://www.cbo.gov/about/products/b...conomic-data#4
Go to the 10yr projections, Aug 2016. Monthly non farm payroll for 2017-2019, 5.2m total. So, instead of sutracting 5.2m from 7m and claiming close to 2m more jobs than the CBO forecast, the numbers are transposed and the claim is 5m more jobs were created than the CBO forecast. Trump of course trotted this out during the State of the Union too. It is nothing more than a outright lie and that is how he differs from most politicians.

Like I said, just starting...
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just some facts;
1: Jobs 2014-2016; 7,672m total, 213k monthly avg. 2107-2019; 6,771m total, 188 monthly avg. 900k fewer jobs for comparable 36 month periods. I even gave Trump all of Jan 2017 despite not taking office until the 20th.
https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cesnaicsrev.htm#2019

2: GDP 2014-2016; 2.3% avg. 2017-2109 2.5% avg. Slightly better avg which would be great if it didn't come at the cost of the Tax Cut & Jobs Act.
The TCJA appears to have given a bump in 2018 GDP @ 2.9%. Any benefit appears to have dissipated in 2019. 2017 2.4%, 2018 2.9%, 2019 2.3%. Averaging 2017 & 2019 gets you 2.35%, roughly inline with 2014-2016 and more likely in 2020.

Greatest economy ever...that's the joke.

It's telling that you have to perform fuzzy math to develop the conclusion you want to tell your story.
Millions of people disagree.

3: TCJA didn't provide the boost in jobs or GDP that was projected.
https://www.dallasfed.org/research/papers/2018/wp1803
https://taxfoundation.org/tax-cuts-j...pact-by-state/

But it did provide a boost. A real boost.

4: Military pay raise. Annual pay raises are determined by statute.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/5303
The following provide a complete overview of military pay raises.
https://militarypay.defense.gov/Pay/Basic-Pay/FAQ/
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/IF10260.pdf
The presidents budgets never exceeded the ECI.
His claim of no pay raises for 10 yrs is clearly wrong. His claim that he gave them a 10% raise is also a lie. Listen to the words fall out of his mouth as he lies directly to active duty personnel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuqYPUogxVI

5: Veterans Choice. Signed into law in 2014. 54 pages.
https://www.congress.gov/113/plaws/p...113publ146.pdf

Trump signed the extension in 2017 as the original law had a 3 yr expiration.
It is (1) page long and addresses 3 issues, the extension of the original law being the only material issue.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...-bill/544/text
The signing ceremony for the extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13vTUWzBL8c
Trump lays the groundwork to claim Veterans Choice as a law he originated.
If the claims from the signing ceremony are to ambiguous then lets listen to him spell it out clearly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCjuIfJNsd4

Trump could have simply taken credit for the extension (which he deserves),but that is never enough for him.
I've never met anybody that approves of someone taking credit for others work.

6: McCain: We all know what Trump said about McCain's POW status.

7: Coronavirus: I watched the entire conference and that is why I made the remark I did. He has only reinforced my opinion since then by constantly offering a different narrative than the professionals.

Your opinion. I worked in ID. He is actually doing a good job. Look at Italy.

8: All politicians do not lie. That is a cynical smear of hundreds of people you don't know in the slightest.

I was lobbyist in 9+ states and DC. You have absolutely no idea of what you speak. They are lying bastards who care about nothing but themselves.

I will give you one more Trump lie. In a Nov WH press release, 3rd para, the claim is made that 7 million jobs have been created since his election.
That part is correct since it states since the election. Talking credit for jobs created while he wasn't president but not outright lying about it is exactly what you might expect from most politicians, framing their point out of context.
Where this press release goes off the rails is the claim that the 7m jobs are 5.1m more jobs than projected by the CBO in its final forecast prior to the election.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/...-expectations/
Lets go to the CBO forecast;
https://www.cbo.gov/about/products/b...conomic-data#4
Go to the 10yr projections, Aug 2016. Monthly non farm payroll for 2017-2019, 5.2m total. So, instead of sutracting 5.2m from 7m and claiming close to 2m more jobs than the CBO forecast, the numbers are transposed and the claim is 5m more jobs were created than the CBO forecast. Trump of course trotted this out during the State of the Union too. It is nothing more than a outright lie and that is how he differs from most politicians.

Like I said, just starting...
I have a meeting. I will address the rest later.
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I can't vote on your poll cause it isn't black or white.
same here. that being said there hasn't been a president in my life that i was absolutely satisfied with or absolutely unsatisfied with.
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I have a meeting. I will address the rest later.
That's a looooooong freakin' meeting........
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That's a looooooong freakin' meeting........
A one hour meeting...long? Do you work at ADD, Inc?
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I have a meeting. I will address the rest later.
Don't bother responding any further. You haven't provided any empirical evidence in any of your responses and when I provided hard data you called it fuzzy math. I'm all for an exchange of ideas but you are simply jumping up and down and proclaiming all of my positions null and void based on......
You appear to more interested in a cat fight. Good luck with that.
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Don't bother responding any further. You haven't provided any empirical evidence in any of your responses and when I provided hard data you called it fuzzy math. I'm all for an exchange of ideas but you are simply jumping up and down and proclaiming all of my positions null and void based on......
You appear to more interested in a cat fight. Good luck with that.
No...you skipped a year to reinforce your point. Dishonest. Good luck with that.
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A one hour meeting...long? Do you work at ADD, Inc?
99% of meetings are too long if they exceed 30 seconds...........

I also thought the exchange was from 2-28-20. I thought I had read the exchange between y'all before.

Deja vu all over again.........
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99% of meetings are too long if they exceed 30 seconds...........
I won't argue with this...
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