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      10-26-2017, 06:07 PM   #177
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So....they took the F56 MINI front and decided it belonged on the bottom half of the X2....yikes!
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I still don't understand why this car is that much different to the Euro 1 series 5 door on jacked up suspension... that said I like the look. I drove the X1 and it was fine, but the 3 series is a much better car.
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      10-26-2017, 10:23 PM   #180
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How does anyone think this thing is either a) good looking or b) necessary.
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BMW must love the way Kia's look from the rear. This and the autobild render of the G series look like Kia's!
Kia lead the way in modern car design (yes seriously) and everyone keeps saying how BMW have lost their way in car design so what’s wrong with some Kia influence??
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      10-27-2017, 06:11 AM   #182
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I still don't understand why this car is that much different to the Euro 1 series 5 door on jacked up suspension... that said I like the look. I drove the X1 and it was fine, but the 3 series is a much better car.
Well the current 1 series is six years old and uses a different platform. But the next generation will have a lot in common with the X2.

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What is up with that F30 style hood-cut above the kidneys? It's gone on the new X1 but back here?!
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0-60 6.3 seconds?? Why? ?
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Kia lead the way in modern car design (yes seriously) and everyone keeps saying how BMW have lost their way in car design so what’s wrong with some Kia influence??
It's the difference between leading and following.
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Kia lead the way in modern car design (yes seriously) and everyone keeps saying how BMW have lost their way in car design so what’s wrong with some Kia influence??
It's the difference between leading and following.
This....since when did German cars follow Japanese design?
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I still don't understand why this car is that much different to the Euro 1 series 5 door on jacked up suspension... that said I like the look. I drove the X1 and it was fine, but the 3 series is a much better car.
Well the current 1 series is six years old and uses a different platform. But the next generation will have a lot in common with the X2.
Agree, from the rear they look pretty similar though!
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      10-27-2017, 09:14 AM   #186
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This....since when did German cars follow Japanese design?
This all gets a little convoluted when you have ex-BMW designers leading design teams in Asia. So you've got Asian cars designed by Germans. Swedish cars bankrolled by China. German cars built in the U.S. and Mexico.

Welcome to supply chain globalization and mobile talent. Just the way of the world these days.
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      10-27-2017, 09:29 AM   #187
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I still don't understand why this car is that much different to the Euro 1 series 5 door on jacked up suspension...
As someone noted above, its the next generation 1 Series that would fit that description.

But yeah, that's pretty much what a modern crossover is - a hatchback with a lift kit. A lot of small CUVs share a platform with a hatchback. They are different enough to have separate markets with different types of buyers. Although they probably do get cross-shopped in some cases.
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For me it actually makes sense. The X1 is half pregnant, too big as a single person commuter and too small for haulage/family duties. The X2 looks better, goes better and is more tossable.

I am 41 (so like the little bit of added height over regular cars) and in need of a HP fix after years of sensible cars and my first though is the original X1 with the 35i engine, then tune it. But in a few years that's getting real long in the tooth so maybe this the answer.
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Why is the current personnel at BMW trying their damnedest to produce the ugliest grills in the history of the company?
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This....since when did German cars follow Japanese design?
This all gets a little convoluted when you have ex-BMW designers leading design teams in Asia. So you've got Asian cars designed by Germans. Swedish cars bankrolled by China. German cars built in the U.S. and Mexico.

Welcome to supply chain globalization and mobile talent. Just the way of the world these days.
Yea would make sense...who is BMW's current chief designer?
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Yea would make sense...who is BMW's current chief designer?
Adrian Van Hooydonk, who penned the E65. He knows how to do it, he just needs to do it.
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BMW is becoming a recycle bin company. I can see the company loosing its fan base within a few years. Nothing is really exciting. Recycled engines, recycled interiors, the same steering wheel on nearly every car. It's getting very tiresome. Lack of exciting driving dynamics with their new 4-cyl on nearly every lineup now unless you add $15-$20k to get a proper BMW 6-cyl engine. You are witnessing history here. The fall of BMW as the ultimate driving machine.

Audi on the other hand it's killing it with their interiors and exterior designs and MB engines are really starting to get my attention.
The Merc GLA and Audi Q3 drive like crap, far worse than the X1. What are you smoking??

And they look like toys: the GLA like someone stepped on it, and the Audi like a cute Barbie car.

Out of the three brands, the BMW will still be the best drive, and the best packaging.
Yeah. Wendy's is better than McDonalds. It's still fast-food. Your point?
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Big Pass. BMW: Stop diluting the lines with so many offerings.
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      10-28-2017, 01:43 AM   #194
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It seems to me that it was missing in BMW will be a success....
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This....since when did German cars follow Japanese design?
Aren’t Kia Korean? But I’m nitpicking now, I guess since very recently... mind you I remember the original (pre facelift) e90 being criticised for its Koreanesque tail light cluster!!

Every car manufacturer is influenced by another surely.... and Korean car design has only recently seen a huge improvement over its older rather naff designs, so yes obviously the German car makers are going to look at these rather pleasing new designs coming out of the orient!! And why not, as BMW design of recent years has been erratic wouldn’t you say!?
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Does anyone really care or think this latest cookie cutter segment filler is relevant?
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This....since when did German cars follow Japanese design?
Aren’t Kia Korean? But I’m nitpicking now, I guess since very recently... mind you I remember the original (pre facelift) e90 being criticised for its Koreanesque tail light cluster!!

Every car manufacturer is influenced by another surely.... and Korean car design has only recently seen a huge improvement over its older rather naff designs, so yes obviously the German car makers are going to look at these rather pleasing new designs coming out of the orient!! And why not, as BMW design of recent years has been erratic wouldn’t you say!?
Yep tru that on Korean. I guess I meant Asian designed cars.
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Side profile looks the best but everything else seems awkward and overdone yet still underwhelming at the same time. Hate to be so critical but it's hard to overlook how non German this car looks. Any German bits remaining have been overpowered by a very confused look of what seems to be a German interpretation of Asian design.
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