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      11-01-2018, 12:42 PM   #67
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I've driven the 28i, as a loaner we had for a couple of days. We had an E84 X35i and I daily a Mk7 GTI. I don't get it. If that's good handling or sportiness, I guess the rental Elantra I had recently could win an F1 race.

BMW should stick to rwd, or at least try to get back to the R series Mini's dynamics. Adding more power isn't going to fix the dynamics of these things.
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There are certain vehicles that do not click with US buyers ... The X2 is one of them
It's not my cup of tea, but the thing is selling a metric f$@k ton.

So I'd have to respectfully disagree.
Thanks for respectfully disagreeing here in the DMV area, I have not seen one since very loooong time what is your market?
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Yup. That would be a Toyota approach
You mean hugely successful and guaranteeing its survival for many generations to come? No, I want purists' cars only and then for it to go out of business so I can reminisce about ye olden days!
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You mean hugely successful and guaranteeing its survival for many generations to come? No, I want purists' cars only and then for it to go out of business so I can reminisce about ye olden days!
Enjoy your hugely successful Lexus

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Wow. Ignorance is bliss. A Macan S with premium plus pkg is 60ish. Similarly equipped x2m35 (w/less hp and auto trans) is only a few grand less. But the Porsche has cooled seats and a better trans. All I was saying, is for that price if I was looking for a smaller suv, id go for the Macan.
Guess you never been to Hong Kong, maybe your the ignorant one that doesn’t understand pricing in Hong Kong.
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Real question, will there be a power and sound kit for this bad boy?
Of course. For $1500 USD, they will code the car to produce ear splitting levels of a V10, V8, or F6. Because the engines in this car simply can’t.

But ignorance is bliss, right?
If u can configure a 60k macan then good for u. I spent hours at the Porsche configurator and I can't make a macan that I could live with under 70k and even then I wouldn't totally be happy with it. If I get it exactly the way I want it's closer to 80k.
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Enjoy your hugely successful Lexus
You mean the one with continuing sales support and parts supply for decades because they also build cars that people actually buy? What the hell kind of business model is that?

Oldies moaned about the Cayenne then went out and bought Caymans that Porsche could continue making because they made the Cayenne. The same oldies are now whining about how BMW makes cars for people to buy so that they can buy cars they... want to buy. There's nothing new under the sun. Or indeed, properly considered.
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Real question, will there be a power and sound kit for this bad boy?
Of course. For $1500 USD, they will code the car to produce ear splitting levels of a V10, V8, or F6. Because the engines in this car simply can't.

But ignorance is bliss, right?
If u can configure a 60k macan then good for u. I spent hours at the Porsche configurator and I can't make a macan that I could live with under 70k and even then I wouldn't totally be happy with it. If I get it exactly the way I want it's closer to 80k.
That's my experience too. That's why I only compare prices of vehicles after I spec them out.
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Something some in here may someday realize, is that most of what BMW is pushing sells because of clever financing. If you had $40K, would you really put out over $40K on one of these X2's? Just put that hard earned cash under the wiper blade and claim, this X2 is mine?

That's the true test.
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Something some in here may someday realize, is that most of what BMW is pushing sells because of clever financing. If you had $40K, would you really put out over $40K on one of these X2's? Just put that hard earned cash under the wiper blade and claim, this X2 is mine?

That's the true test.
This is the true test for any purchase. My parents taught me this lesson when I was a young man with his first credit card.

That Money Makeover guy calls this "friction..." as-in you should have to feel the friction of the money leaving your hand.
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Thanks for respectfully disagreeing here in the DMV area, I have not seen one since very loooong time what is your market?
Northern New Jersey.
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If u can configure a 60k macan then good for u. I spent hours at the Porsche configurator and I can't make a macan that I could live with under 70k and even then I wouldn't totally be happy with it. If I get it exactly the way I want it's closer to 80k.
I think you meant to respond to a different quote.

I've had a P car, and I completely understand that the MSRP is merely the starting point from an end price perspective...aka, I think the average P car has around 20K in options added in.
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- The Choice build is my only consideration. My Base build doesn't save enough money to lure me that direction.

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I get also one as a loaner for 1 week and I really like it, even if I drive an F82, the X2 is really fun to drive, good looking and compared to the E84 of my wife, it will be a nice upgrade!
Turned it back in yesterday...service adviser asked what I thought. Looked over at the car, looked back at him, replied, "why"? He laughed. Said he gets that almost every time.

Most aren't seeing it. At least those of us who grew up on the smaller lineup of 3's, 5's and 7's plus TRUE M cars and special runs of 6's and 8's.

And therein might be the issue we debate. I'm wondering if the car has more appeal to a younger segment.
It's funny you say that. When we did our training on this before it a came out, they told us they were aiming for a younger, more "hip" crowd. They actually had a slide of a mom driving this and she had a full sleeve. But what has actually happened is little old ladies are buying them instead. This car is selling to the exact opposite market of what they intend and it's also falling flat on its face and no one can sell them. This should have without a doubt been a hot hatch like the 135i in Europe. Or just lower it and make it rwd.
The same thing happened to the Honda Element and Scion xB. These were intended for the young crowd and ended up being adapted by a far more mature audience than originally intended.

I recently had a X2 loaner and generally liked it. The more restricted outward visibility didn't bother me as much I thought it would. Car handles nice and it is well put together as any other BMW is. But my basic sample stickered at $40K. For that money I much prefer a 330i or a 1-2 year old CPO 5 series, 340i, etc.
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Real question, will there be a power and sound kit for this bad boy?
Of course. For $1500 USD, they will code the car to produce ear splitting levels of a V10, V8, or F6. Because the engines in this car simply can't.

But ignorance is bliss, right?
If u can configure a 60k macan then good for u. I spent hours at the Porsche configurator and I can't make a macan that I could live with under 70k and even then I wouldn't totally be happy with it. If I get it exactly the way I want it's closer to 80k.
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Real question, will there be a power and sound kit for this bad boy?
Of course. For $1500 USD, they will code the car to produce ear splitting levels of a V10, V8, or F6. Because the engines in this car simply can't.

But ignorance is bliss, right?
If u can configure a 60k macan then good for u. I spent hours at the Porsche configurator and I can't make a macan that I could live with under 70k and even then I wouldn't totally be happy with it. If I get it exactly the way I want it's closer to 80k.
That's my experience too. That's why I only compare prices of vehicles after I spec them out.

Have to disagree, I think the Macan represents an exceptional value in the small SUV segment. Base + Choice of Paint + Premium Package Plus for < $55k MSRP and has everything you need plus more (pano, alcantara/leather interior, all safety feature, PDK, etc.). Additionally, you can negotiate tha price down closer to 50k.
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I cannot imagine spending that much money on a 4-banger X2.
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302hp/349tq... I would def drive that with the sport seats. Same 0-60 (4.6) as 340xi
No tech expert here....but the B48 punched up to 300 hp in this X2 is the same powerplant that will be in the G20 M330i ??
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302hp/349tq... I would def drive that with the sport seats. Same 0-60 (4.6) as 340xi
No tech expert here....but the B48 punched up to 300 hp in this X2 is the same powerplant that will be in the G20 M330i ??
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No tech expert here....but the B48 punched up to 300 hp in this X2 is the same powerplant that will be in the G20 M330i ??
It's the same base motor, with more tuning.

There is no M330i either, but there is an ///M318d in the works. Here it is, disguised as an E90 mule:



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I recently had a test drive of the Jaguar i-Pace launch edition. Standing beside it, my overriding impression was that it reminded me of the X2 I had also recently test driven. Looking at the pictures of the Red interior, if the X2 had a leather dash option, it would compete with the Jag's all-leather, which I thought was Bentleyesque. Except for the typical electric car zero RPM torque, it drove the same, as well. I liked both, for what they are: long hatchbacks with a little more ground clearance and easier for my old joints to get into than a 3-series.

Having owned a Porsche 991.1 C2S, which I sold after 4 years, I know that one needs to add 20% to the base number to get a Porsche you want out the door. The Porsche resale, unless you have gone crazy with the options, is better than a BMW. The Porsche residuals are so low, compared even with BMW's revised residuals, that one really should buy rather than lease. The Macan is a small SUV, where the X2 is an extended hatch, whose looks I like better.

I'll consider an X2 M35i when my 330e lease tolls in 2020 and get one if the deal is right.
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Can anyone with info/knowledge tell me how much less than the stated MSRP a custom X2 build is selling for right now? I only have previous experience ordering M cars which I almost always got for Invoice price + $500.

https://www.bmwusa.com/byo.html#!/bu...mmary/dux2lvfe

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Can anyone with info/knowledge tell me how much less than the stated MSRP a custom X2 build is selling for right now? I only have previous experience ordering M cars which I almost always got for Invoice price + $500.

https://www.bmwusa.com/byo.html#!/bu...mmary/dux2lvfe

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