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      09-16-2022, 04:11 PM   #1
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Post Dead battery makes man locked out of his Te$la unless he pays $26k for a new one...

Heres another reason we should ALL switch over to EVs and cheerlead the govts new legislations banning ICE cars

Got a dead battery in your tesla?? No problem! you are now the proud owner of a brand new $150k, 5 tonne paperweight!

Man Says Tesla 'Locked Him Out' of Car Until He Pays for $26K Battery
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      09-16-2022, 04:47 PM   #2
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That's a 2013 car though. With an 8 year battery warranty?

Idk but it looks like the car is out of warranty, he should pay for the battery if it goes dead. That's older technology and things don't last long, especially batteries.

That's like someone buying a 2013 ICE car, and running the car to 150-160k miles, the engine died and now the guy is getting mad that the engine died.

This makes no sense. But maybe i'm biased because i'm a tesla owner.

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      09-16-2022, 05:11 PM   #3
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The panic and hysteria at the waning of the ICE is the funniest part.
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replacing a head gasket or dropping in a fresh short block is something many can and do choose to do themselves, at a nominal cost relative to the replacement cost of the car in many cases.

Who here can R&R an EV battery pack?

I've ground-up rebuilt multiple cars and have no problems diving in with both hands. I also have a degree in electrical engineering and have worked in the electrical industry for 29 years so I'm well qualified in both areas, I'll probably never rebuild a battery pack. It's just not how those work or are built.

With regards to the cost of batteries, we are moving towards a model where repairs of battery packs will exceed the value of the cars in need. These cars will become disposable as a result. These cars and batteries have been in the market for over a decade, and the batteries haven't gotten cheaper, so spare the comments about that.
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The panic and hysteria at the waning of the ICE is the funniest part.
no the funniest part are the fanboys providing a constant stream of comedy, go ahead keep shooting your foot,
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The panic and hysteria at the waning of the ICE is the funniest part.
no the funniest part are the fanboys providing a constant stream of comedy, go ahead keep shooting your foot,
I'll do that 🙂
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Can't buy an ICE car either then:

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-m...work-1.5822445

Walking might be a good solution for you.
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It's funny how many ppl are so resistant to change. However, in this case, that's always the inherent risk of being a first/early adopter. I'll continue letting others be the guinea pigs for the moment.
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It's funny how many ppl are so resistant to change. However, in this case, that's always the inherent risk of being a first/early adopter. I'll continue letting others be the guinea pigs for the moment.

The little indirect attacks at EV is actually hilarious. As if people who reads these articles will make car makers change their mind about moving foward with EV.

The ironic part about the link provided by OP was that it was a 2013 model s.

Fast foward not even 10 years, and that SAME CAR became the FASTEST PRODUCTION CAR in the world

The only thing ICE has is time. And it's VERY little of it. Once battery technology improves, which is already happening year after year, charging times will improve and soon they will fully take over ICE.
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The little indirect attacks at EV is actually hilarious. As if people who reads these articles will make car makers change their mind about moving foward with EV.

The ironic part about the link provided by OP was that it was a 2013 model s.

Fast foward not even 10 years, and that SAME CAR became the FASTEST PRODUCTION CAR in the world

The only thing ICE has is time. And it's VERY little of it. Once battery technology improves, which is already happening year after year, charging times will improve and soon they will fully take over ICE.
Yup, can't stop progress. Being a retrogrouch is so unbecoming
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So strange how an extended warranty solves this problem entirely…the car is 10 years old. Perhaps he should have bought a newer car under warranty.
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I clicked on the link, saw it was about a grown man whining in a video he made on TikTik and promptly closed the window.
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replacing a head gasket or dropping in a fresh short block is something many can and do
And by "many", you mean 0.002% of the population with cars.
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And by "many", you mean 0.002% of the population with cars.
Good point, cars don't need head gaskets replaced at the 9 year mark these days.
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Good point, cars don't need head gaskets replaced at the 9 year mark these days.
Yeah, in 9 years an N54 is well on its way to needing new turbos. N63 new timing chain, valve stem seals, prob 6 batteries and 20 extra quarts of oil. S54 vanos and rod bearings, S65 rod bearings and throttle actuators. S85 rod bearings. N55 every gasket. S55 charge air cooler, every gasket, and maybe crank hub. N20 timing chain. That's just off the top of my head. Whew, glad we have all these super simple and reliable engines.

Most new BMWs (and other German cars) are going to eventually end up mechanically totaled. Not a really high bar for EVs to live up to.
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Good point, cars don't need head gaskets replaced at the 9 year mark these days.
I mean yeah, you could just let it continue to leak...
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And by "many", you mean 0.002% of the population with cars.
According to the US census, there are 630,000 automotive service technicians and mechanics, and I'm guessing 5 times as many hobbyist like myself are qualified and capable of servicing their own cars.

I think you missed the point, batteries wear out like tires. Engines can be maintained and wear parts can be individually addressed. You get a bad cluster of cells in your EV battery? Whole new battery. Get a leaky oil pan gasket? you can replace just that.

These batteries are an all or nothing failure, and there is no service procedure. there are also few that even know how to work on them or with them because they aren't worked on, they are disposed of. The article in the OP even mentioned that Tesla doesn't check or monitor this stuff so you can't even prepare for it like you can for the maintenance schedule spelled out in ICE manuals.

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According to the US census, there are 630,000 automotive service technicians and mechanics, and I'm guessing 5 times as many hobbyist like myself are qualified and capable of servicing their own cars.

I think you missed the point, batteries wear out like tires. Engines can be maintained and wear parts can be individually addressed. You get a bad cluster of cells in your EV battery? Whole new battery. Get a leaky oil pan gasket? you can replace just that.

These batteries are an all or nothing failure, and there is no service procedure. there are also few that even know how to work on them or with them because they aren't worked on, they are disposed of. The article in the OP even mentioned that Tesla doesn't check or monitor this stuff so you can't even prepare for it like you can for the maintenance schedule spelled out in ICE manuals.
You do realize tesla isn't the only car maker that produces EV's now right?

So if people want to nitpick what the OP has posted, you can then make your judgement on tesla as a brand, not so much EV.

There is a battery swap station in china already that can swap an ENTIRE BATTERY PACK in under 5 minutes. You literally drive over a section, similar to an oil change place, and everything is done from the bottom automatically.

The average life of a modern day engine doesn't last as long, especially when you take into account a direct injection engine. Have you ever opened up one with as little as 30k miles? The inside is caked with carbon deposits.

I would absolutely applaud an EV if the battery pack lasts 8 years vs a modern day ICE engine that is already destroyed with carbon deposits at 30k miles.

It seems that people are trying their best to brainwash themselves that EV can't work lol

News flash people, it WILL WORK, as you're already seeing it. There's minor flaws that will be addressed. You can be a fan of both EV and ICE. There is nothing wrong with that.

But might as well embrace EV, as they're coming strong and fast. (that's what she said)
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You do realize tesla isn't the only car maker that produces EV's now right?
So you see where this is headed then...

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So if people want to nitpick what the OP has posted, you can then make your judgement on tesla as a brand, not so much EV.
How much to other brand EV batteries cost?

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There is a battery swap station in china already that can swap an ENTIRE BATTERY PACK in under 5 minutes. You literally drive over a section, similar to an oil change place, and everything is done from the bottom automatically.
And how much does it cost?

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The average life of a modern day engine doesn't last as long, especially when you take into account a direct injection engine. Have you ever opened up one with as little as 30k miles? The inside is caked with carbon deposits.

I would absolutely applaud an EV if the battery pack lasts 8 years vs a modern day ICE engine that is already destroyed with carbon deposits at 30k miles.
Destroyed?

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It seems that people are trying their best to brainwash themselves that EV can't work lol

News flash people, it WILL WORK, as you're already seeing it. There's minor flaws that will be addressed. You can be a fan of both EV and ICE. There is nothing wrong with that.

But might as well embrace EV, as they're coming strong and fast. (that's what she said)
It can and will work. Just like we predict we need to change our oil and replace spark plugs on ICE's, know that for some of these EV's you are looking at a potential $25,000 repair bill at some point in it's life for the battery, and there is little you can do to predict when or how many miles that need will arrive.

Clearly this Tesla owner should have been putting away extra cash to build up a $25,000 repair reserve for his car. He could have embraced that. I've read a lot of articles that note how much less expensive it is to maintain an EV, there is no oil to change, etc. Clearly that's only half the truth. It changes the ownership strategy and overall ownership experience, lets all get on board with that now since the EV's are coming.
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So you see where this is headed then...
So you're implying all car makers are created equal?

If tesla has terrible customer service and/or assume no responsibility to the longevity of their cars, we can assume everyone else will be the same?

Just want to make sure this is what you're implying.



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How much to other brand EV batteries cost?
For a new car with a warranty, you don't even need to worry. Are you buying an EV? Probably not just going by your post so when you do have to, meaning by 2035, battery technology will have greatly improved and by then i'm assuming battery warranty will be 10-12 or even 15 year. So you won't even have to worry about replacing the battery pack in your car until 2050! How cool is that?



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And how much does it cost?
I guess i can use the same response i just posted above.



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Destroyed?
You know, and i know, carbon deposits rob an engine of power. Similar to a battery weakening over time. At least that's the argument people make when talking about how EV's are no good.

Fact is, engines don't last nearly as long as they did back in the day.



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It can and will work. Just like we predict we need to change our oil and replace spark plugs on ICE's, know that for some of these EV's you are looking at a potential $25,000 repair bill at some point in it's life for the battery, and there is little you can do to predict when or how many miles that need will arrive.

Clearly this Tesla owner should have been putting away extra cash to build up a $25,000 repair reserve for his car. He could have embraced that. I've read a lot of articles that note how much less expensive it is to maintain an EV, there is no oil to change, etc. Clearly that's only half the truth. It changes the ownership strategy and overall ownership experience, lets all get on board with that now since the EV's are coming.

Of all the tesla owners out there, even those who have bought and probably still own the very first ones are probably doing just fine.

The article OP posted is one guy. One guy doesn't represent the entire brand.

I mean i don't have to convince you to do or think anything.

Just know that there is little time left lol.

So yeah EV's are definitely coming!
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And by "many", you mean 0.002% of the population with cars.
Came here to say the same. Some how enthusiasts confuse what we want and can do with the average public.

For example, at a previous job one of the guys I worked with had his bachelor's and master's in mechanical engineering.

He didn't know how to change his own oil or swap the spare in the event of a flat.
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I know several Tesla owners that went back ICE/hybrid or plug in
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