Information from key or car?

cdheaven · 06-16-2006, 05:04 PM

How much information can be gathered either from the key fob, or the computer at the dealer?
can they find out top speed, top RPM? how often over redline? anything else interesting like that?

ALPINE6SPD · 06-16-2006, 07:39 PM

I dont think so I think it just tells them miles but I will check with my service dept and let you know.

Jay_328 · 06-16-2006, 07:44 PM

I was told the key fob will allow BMW to get a specific number of different drivers of your car. ...even 17 yr old girls register! Who knew...

cdheaven · 06-16-2006, 07:58 PM

haha. DAMN IT! i JUST let a 17 year old girl drive my car!!!

deltron · 06-16-2006, 10:24 PM

My friend at work has a 525i and just took it for some work; he has some rattling in the passenger side door. Any who, the service tech that was working on his car walked up to him and chatted for a while. The tech said to him, "you don't really wait much after you start your car to begin driving."

My friend was was stunned. How did this man know this? Apparently the car records more than you know. If it records the average time you let you the car idle after starting it, who knows what else. It probably knows how many times you've red-line it and for how long.

I've heard that insurance companies nowadays ask for the diagnostic data off the car so they know how fast you were going for sure when there is a big collision (if the car supports that).

Big Brother in our bimmer, oh no!!

bmwexecutive · 06-16-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by deltron

My friend at work has a 525i and just took it for some work; he has some rattling in the passenger side door. Any who, the service tech that was working on his car walked up to him and chatted for a while. The tech said to him, "you don't really wait much after you start your car to begin driving."

You do realize that that is the kind of thing a person could determine simply by watching someone get in their car right?

deltron · 06-16-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bmwexecutive

You do realize that that is the kind of thing a person could determine simply by watching someone get in their car right?

I do, but the tech told him he knows from reading the data stored in the car's computer.

KL2DC · 06-16-2006, 10:38 PM

I thought the keys/car only records diagnostic codes/error codes. The memory capacity has to be huge for the key/car to act as a blackbox on wheels

bmwexecutive · 06-16-2006, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KL2DC

The memory capacity has to be huge for the key/car to act as a blackbox on wheels

Actually, it would require nothing more than a 256MB chip and those are usually made smaller than your finger nail.

Asiann · 06-16-2006, 11:37 PM

Identify theft, now this!

bmwexecutive · 06-16-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Asiann

Identify theft, now this!

Hah. Get used to it. I promise you within 25 years the government will know whenever any of us even go to the bathroom. Big Brother will be watching us 24/7.

David328M-Sport · 06-17-2006, 01:51 AM

[QUOTE=deltronThe tech said to him, "you don't really wait much after you start your car to begin driving."

My friend was was stunned. How did this man know this? [/QUOTE]
Neigbour from across the street!!!

HappyG · 06-17-2006, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwexecutive

Hah. Get used to it. I promise you within 25 years the government will know whenever any of us even go to the bathroom. Big Brother will be watching us 24/7.

What makes you think they're not watching us right now? Privacy is a privelege that is being revoked on a daily basis, at an incremental pace. If "he" really wanted to know something, it would already be known.

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bmwexecutive · 06-17-2006, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HappyG

What makes you think they're not watching us right now?

The technology is not widely there yet. They might have technology we don't know about that can do what I was talking about 25 years from now, but that might have only one of those "things" out as of this point and are using it for high priority targets. Like I said, the government won't really move to monitoring us like they do terrorists now for another 25 years.

SoYank · 06-17-2006, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KL2DC

I thought the keys/car only records diagnostic codes/error codes. The memory capacity has to be huge for the key/car to act as a blackbox on wheels

Who's to say it all on the key? Maybe it is recorded in a device on the car itself.

E90Fleet · 06-17-2006, 08:04 AM

Key only holds specific service details, and milage

The cars records a massive amount of info, but most isnt available to the dealer.

If you say make a large engine claim on BMW, they will send their own techs to you dealer, who will download the other information to see what caused the problem.

They can see everything from throttle positions, engine revs, clutch position, brake position, ABS, DSC, fuel levels, coolant temps, gearbox temps, everything for a couple months worth of driving.

They need a lot of that info to figure out what caused many failures, so they can fix it on other cars

HappyG · 06-17-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwexecutive

The technology is not widely there yet. They might have technology we don't know about that can do what I was talking about 25 years from now, but that might have only one of those "things" out as of this point and are using it for high priority targets. Like I said, the government won't really move to monitoring us like they do terrorists now for another 25 years.

Unless you have some sort of a top secret clearance, I don't see how you can arbitrarily commit to a 25 year period. But then again, if you have nothing to hide, no problemo, you know?

IMO, I think that the military and bodies of government have technology that's far more advanced then you and I will ever know about. I mean, if google and other companies can zoom in on your license plate from outer space...

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ANovak · 06-17-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by deltron

My friend at work has a 525i and just took it for some work; he has some rattling in the passenger side door. Any who, the service tech that was working on his car walked up to him and chatted for a while. The tech said to him, "you don't really wait much after you start your car to begin driving."

Your friend should have told the service tech he was following the owners manual. It states that you do do not need to warm up the car before driving off.

deltron · 06-17-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ANovak

Your friend should have told the service tech he was following the owners manual. It states that you do do not need to warm up the car before driving off.

Yeah, I told him that our cars don't need a warm period. I still wait around 20-30 seconds. It usually takes me that long to get situated anyways.

He has a '05 525i so I don't know if they have a similar startup procedure. I know the '06 has the same magnesium alloy engine we do which must mean it has the electronic water pump, etc... So those new 5-series with the inline-6 should probably have startup instructions identical to ours.

docbolo · 06-18-2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwexecutive

Like I said, the government won't really move to monitoring us like they do terrorists now for another 25 years.

Whats your source? BMW newsletter?

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