[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M2F87

Today the local Dealer Principal told me the next release in Australia is the M2 Competition, due shortly, around May. Then the M2 CS will be released later in the year, followed by the CSL, likely to be early next year.

Your dealer seems a little 'too hopeful'.

[N54]

Originally Posted by Artemis

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If only

I wonder why BMW cancelled the M2 CSL

Did they need to divert their engineering resources elsewhere?

I’m sure if they made a car like the above it would be a massive sales success

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Your dealer seems a little 'too hopeful'.

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Hahahahaha. Now this I love. mkoesel checkit!

Too bad this won't fit in my signature file.

[Arregueti]

Hi,

First post here but I have been lurking for a while. Still on the fence regarding whether I want an M2 or an M2 C+whatever...just like most on here.

I have followed most of the threads regarding updates but there is one thing on which I have not found anything: ride height/front overhang.

Is it expected that the new car will ride lower or the front overhang will be impacted by new front bumper/lips?

Thanks for any thoughts or insider views.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Too bad this won't fit in my signature file.

It can if you resize. Let me fix that for you: six signature choices.





Original pictures (Monholo Oumar): here and here.

[sithollie]

Received this email just now:

"Morning Oliver,
The Production of the M2 Cs has been delayed again ,it appears it will not arrive until 2019 !"

First i've heard from them in a year, wonder if there's some info due to come out

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by sithollie

Received this email just now:
"Morning Oliver,
The Production of the M2 Cs has been delayed again ,it appears it will not arrive until 2019 !"
First i've heard from them in a year, wonder if there's some info due to come out

Please distinguish:

• MY2019 (starting in Summer 2018) and calendar year 2019 (starting on Jan 1);
• the M2 Competition (confirmed) and a possible other M2 variant (unconfirmed).

Except if there has been a recent important change of plan, the M2 Competition is supposed to be officially presented this Spring (April) and released this Summer (July).

[sithollie]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Please distinguish:

• MY2019 (starting in Summer 2018) and calendar year 2019 (starting on Jan 1);
• the M2 Competition (confirmed) and a possible other M2 variant (unconfirmed).

Except if there has been a recent important change of plan, the M2 Competition is supposed to be officially presented this Spring (April) and released this Summer (July).

Having spoken with them he's said it will be announced in the year 2019, although I don't know if they know any more than we do.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Please distinguish:

• MY2019 (starting in Summer 2018) and calendar year 2019 (starting on Jan 1);
• the M2 Competition (confirmed) and a possible other M2 variant (unconfirmed).

Except if there has been a recent important change of plan, the M2 Competition is supposed to be officially presented this Spring (April) and released this Summer (July).

Artemis,when M Powwer on 2ertalk.de first confirmed the M2 Competition with the S55 engine back in the fall of 2016,he said the model name CS was for Competition Sport.In the future BMW model list that was posted,it also had the model listed as CS and that it was going to start production in March of 2018.Maybe the CS and Competition names are for the same model that is coming out this year.

Here is what M Poweer posted as a relpy to Emmerich in November of 2016,


Posted 18 November 2016 - 07:50

Emmerich schrieb am 17 Nov 2016 - 17:53:

Already sold out? My friend told me that he wanted to continue to take care of offering an M2 "Club Sport". Club Sport in connection with a M2 special model? never heard . Sounds a bit like golf. Is that all nonsense, or is there something real drann? Who heard something ringing?

The M2 will be discontinued in 2017 as it no longer meets the Euro 6 standard.
Instead, in late '17 / early '18, the "successor" will come under the hood with S55 (from the M3 / M4), and that will be called M2 CS.
The "CS" does not stand for "Club Sport", but for "Competition Sport"

This is the BMW future model list,

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Artemis,when M Powwer on 2ertalk.de first confirmed the M2 Competition with the S55 engine back in the fall of 2016,he said the model name CS was for Competition Sport.In the future BMW model list that was posted,it also had the model listed as CS and that it was going to start production in March of 2018.Maybe the CS and Competition names are for the same model that is coming out this year.

That info + screenshot with hyperlink was posted last year in this thread and also summarized in the first post.

Things have moved on in the course of last year.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Things have moved on in the course of last year.

That's probably the most understated statement in this thread.

[RPM33]

Gatte: can you confirm that the Competition is still this July 2018 and CS in 2019?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Gatte: can you confirm that the Competition is still this July 2018 and CS in 2019?

Gatte will most likely "plead the bunny" (and maybe suggest that you'd write a letter to BMW M HQ in Garching kindly asking to answer your burning M2 variant questions).

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Gatte: can you confirm that the Competition is still this July 2018 and CS in 2019?

Nobody knows what BMW has in store for us. We can however draw conclusions based on what we've seen so far.

We know that there are over 100 vins for BMW M2 variants. These have so far been called M2 CS/Competition/Cs. I think we can all be somewhat confident that there should be some variant of an M2 that should be unveiled fairly soon. We can also be fairly confident that this variant will probably be called M2 Competition because there are multiple people who have heard from various sources that this is what it is expected to be.

2019 is too far off to speculate or know for sure what will happen now. In the course of testing the Competition/CS variants BMW might have also learnt what the M2 is truly capable of. It is too early to speculate what BMW M might do with this knowledge and how or what name they will use to market it.

As Artemis said, you could write a letter to BMW M at Garching asking them this question. They will probably tell you the same as above and then add that you should go get the M2 that is currently available since it is a phenomenal car.

[Artemis]

Also reposting this comment in this thread, FWIW:

Originally Posted by Artemis

And don't underestimate the aspect that a lot of potential M2 Competition customers are currently 'off-market':

• as they already got an M2 (sometimes after a long wait); many of those who lusted for a 1M but were too late to order one, got in line for an M2;
• as they are not tempted to trade-in in 2018 (possible reasons: unattractive trade-in offers for their current M2, stuck in a 36 or 48-months lease, bad memories about the previous waiting-line experience, or simply because they are not interested and prefer keeping their M2);
• the fact that the M2 Competition will get a price bump closer to M3/M4 price-territory won't help either.

So I'm curious how well the 'M2 Competition' sales will fare. Inevitably a frenzy the first months, but after that first wave things may quickly cool down.

I'm afraid that should M2 Competition sales (as well as M3 CS and M4 CS sales) fail to live up to BMW's expectations, the fate of a possible hardcore M2 will be sealed (should a ray of light of hope currently still exist for any such car). Can enough M3/M4 customers be swayed to 'downsize' to an M2 Competition ? And competing car brands also release cars that may interest the M2 Competition target group.

[F87LUV]

Is the speculated 2019 M2 worth trading the 2016 for? I can get on a list at MSRP.

I'm not reading this entire thread.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by F87LUV

Is the speculated 2019 M2 worth trading the 2016 for? I can get on a list at MSRP.

I'm not reading this entire thread.

if you want more horsepower, then yeah, if not then probably nah...

[F87LUV]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

if you want more horsepower, then yeah, if not then probably nah...

That's like asking me if I want air to live? YES.

[///Mobbin]

Originally Posted by Gatte

We know that there are over 100 vins for BMW M2 variants. These have so far been called M2 CS/Competition/Cs.

Question, are 100 vins telling that there may be 2 cars in development? I wonder how many M2 vins there were leading up to the 2016 M2 for example.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by F87LUV

Is the speculated 2019 M2 worth trading the 2016 for? I can get on a list at MSRP.

I'm not reading this entire thread.

This should help you decide. It of course will get a detuned s55 with 405hp (+40hp over n55).

Originally Posted by Gatte

For those who cannot wait till April or China, here's what you can expect from the M2 competition:
1, Laterally wider front grille.
2, Grille tapers inward on the top corners.
3, Grille is all black.
4, The side slits are also all shiny black.
5, The lower portion of the bumper is more angular and looks wider.
6, There are 3 slits at the bottom of the bumper.
7, Front grille does not distinctly separate into 2 kidneys.
8, There will be sport seats.
9, The silver looks almost like white under bright white lighting.

Originally Posted by Artemis

As far as I understand the leaked picture:

• M side mirrors instead of M235i mirrors (color is up for debate: is it AW like the body color or is it the new Hockenheim Silver Metallic, or - who knows - some light grey as signature color for side mirrors of all M2 Competition cars ?);
• kidneys 'stretched' closer towards the headlights;
• surface below kidneys is now more vertical to allow front PDC mount + added: a crease line starting below the kidneys w(e)aving towards the headlights;
• a crease line above the fangs now runs through the tow hook flap (instead of above);
• front PDC (park distance control) (the dot located next to the tow hook cover);
• if no optical illusion (picture angle): the fangs angle seems pushed more inward towards the air curtains (longer horizontal fangs crease line);
• headlight washer nozzles still at the same spot (cover is visible if you look closely);
• air guidance intakes on the chin spoiler (1 out of 3 visible on the leaked picture).

[Paragon27]

Originally Posted by sithollie

Received this email just now:

"Morning Oliver,
The Production of the M2 Cs has been delayed again ,it appears it will not arrive until 2019 !"

First i've heard from them in a year, wonder if there's some info due to come out

Out of interest which UK dealer told you this? I suspect they are getting their facts mixed up though.

I have had a deposit down with a dealer in Kent for about 12 months now and am No.2 in their queue supposedly. I might pop down to see them in the morning, even though I they will know nothing new..

I believe it will be Competition this year as planned with a possible CS next year. The hard decision is whether to wait for the CS or go ahead with the Competition. I have even thought about going with a current M2 instead of either (for the sound as much as anything else), but if I do take this option, I will wait a while, as the 'official' release of the new M2 will be bound to have an impact on residuals.

BTW; thanks to many of the regular posters here. I have been keeping an eye open here for some time as it seems to be the only place to get good information.

[Bimm3rM4]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Nobody knows what BMW has in store for us. We can however draw conclusions based on what we've seen so far.

We know that there are over 100 vins for BMW M2 variants. These have so far been called M2 CS/Competition/Cs. I think we can all be somewhat confident that there should be some variant of an M2 that should be unveiled fairly soon. We can also be fairly confident that this variant will probably be called M2 Competition because there are multiple people who have heard from various sources that this is what it is expected to be.

2019 is too far off to speculate or know for sure what will happen now. In the course of testing the Competition/CS variants BMW might have also learnt what the M2 is truly capable of. It is too early to speculate what BMW M might do with this knowledge and how or what name they will use to market it.

As Artemis said, you could write a letter to BMW M at Garching asking them this question. They will probably tell you the same as above and then add that you should go get the M2 that is currently available since it is a phenomenal car.

You saw a rear spoiler on the M2 Competition from the video ? Thanks