[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Pentium

M-Sports FWD BMW...I never imagined that I would see that

And you still haven't. At least not in the US.

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

And you still haven't. At least not in the US.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe BMW's setup on this car is FWD in normal driving conditions (i.e. on straight, dry pavement). It transfers power to the rear wheels only when necessary. Here's the key sentence from BMW's press release:

"When required, the multi-plate clutch – with the help of an electrohydraulic pump – diverts up to 100 percent of the engine’s power to the rear wheels."

I think this is pretty clear. The car is normally FWD, and diverts power to the rear wheels only "when required."

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by hinckley

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe BMW's setup on this car is FWD in normal driving conditions (i.e. on straight, dry pavement). It transfers power to the rear wheels only when necessary. Here's the key sentence from BMW's press release:

"When required, the multi-plate clutch with the help of an electrohydraulic pump diverts up to 100 percent of the engines power to the rear wheels."

I think this is pretty clear. The car is normally FWD, and diverts power to the rear wheels only "when required."

yeah... I'm gonna correct you... cause you're wrong.


Last time I checked, A front wheel drive vehicle ONLY has the capacity to drive TWO wheels- ( the front wheels- natch!) at ALL times.

In your attempts to bash it.. at best.. you can call this FWD biased... or you can make up a name but it is clearly BY DEFINITION not FWD.

Speaking of definitions... From Wikipedia..

ALL WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLE - An AWD vehicle is one with a powertrain capable of providing power to all its wheels, whether full-time or on-demand.

Since this vehicle has the capacity to drive the front wheels AND the rear wheels (again... something that FRONT WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES CANNOT DO!) then it is an all wheel drive vehicle. It may Not be full Time all wheel drive of course.... however. and yes.. there are many different ways an all wheel drive can distribute power and this can vary by manufacturer. It does appear that you ASSUME that the vehicle is going to be 100% FWD powered... until power is needed elsewhere.. ? Why? So.. let's do a little research... ?

Thanks for quoting just part of the BMW press release. Let's see some MORE of it...

" An efficiency-optimized version of the BMW xDrive intelligent all-wheel-drive system and newly developed chassis technology all help to enhance sporting ability and ride comfort compared to the outgoing model " Perhaps you will need to call BMW AG and tell them to re-write their press release.. ? Perhaps they messed up and said X drive ?

As far as power delivery... Indeed I am aware that many AWD systems begin with an initital concentration/allocation of power and then it is reapportioned based on need. MANY AWD systems are so front biased that they can NEVER at any time send ALL power to the rear... and yet the X1 does.

Speaking of FWD biased AWD... let's read a little on how Subaru's Symmetrical AWD and how it differs from some other systems.

http://www.manchestersubaru.com/suba...heel-drive.htm

And of course here is some information on BMW X DRIVE

" xDrive is the permanent all-wheel drive system from BMW: under normal circumstances, it distributes driver power between the front and rear axles in a 40:60 ratio, and changes this figure variably when the road surface or overall driving conditions change. Acting virtually instantaneously and a manner so subtle as to be go virtually unnoticed by the vehicle's occupants, xDrive can direct up to 100% of drive forces to one axle. "

hmm.. so it sounds like me that the X1 will also have a 40:60 split.. and can send to 100% to the rear axle...

That itself.. as far as I am concerned... even if in normal operation, 100% is sent to the front... if this thing can determine when to send more to the rear (and who knows what conditions are needed.. slippage? heavy throttle? Wide open throttle? ) and especially if it can send ALL power to the rear.. I really see very little point (other than hate!) in trying to pigeonhole this vehicle as FWD or even FWD biased (well.. unless you work for Subaru!)

I'm gonna bet that someone at BMW is probably typing up a page right now so that they can drop the science on how their system works in the X1... assuming it's any different... Of course.. Reading Comprehension being what it is these days...



And finally... if I am driving this mug... let me just tell you... There's gonna be plenty of " When required" time...

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Yeah, and the 6s is just as quick as the 8s when paired with the N55. It's also not like BMW went all high class on plastics with the F cars either.

But yeah, my 6'2" frame a rear facing kid seat, or 5'9" mom sure find the back small. Oh, wait, no they don't.

But in fairness, the F48 looks to have more room back there, probably on par with the F31, but still less than the F34.

The ZF8 make the N55 goes faster than the auto 6spd for sure. The old 6spd use to be as quick as the manual now the zf8 is quicker than the manual. As for the plastic And interior quality the f31 is couple steps above the E84 for sure.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by Matski

Just had a quick look at the specs, X1 xDrive20i is 5kg lighter than an F31 20i, and the X1 sDrive20i is 55kg lighter... I wouldn't say it's a heavy SUV.

The X1 is a much smaller cars to so I hope is not much heavier than a larger F31. When I was speaking about the 3 Touring I was talking about the G21 which should be lighter too. This is the one that will be kept away from north american market.

[GuyOh]

I need to see more pictures or atleast real life pictures of M sport package. For some strange reason, can't pint point why, but I'm like the white x1 with x line better

[NickRac]

Twin Turbo V8? Please?

[Pentium]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

yeah... I'm gonna correct you... cause you're wrong.


Last time I checked, A front wheel drive vehicle ONLY has the capacity to drive TWO wheels- ( the front wheels- natch!) at ALL times.

In your attempts to bash it.. at best.. you can call this FWD biased... or you can make up a name but it is clearly BY DEFINITION not FWD.

Speaking of definitions... From Wikipedia..

ALL WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLE - An AWD vehicle is one with a powertrain capable of providing power to all its wheels, whether full-time or on-demand.

Since this vehicle has the capacity to drive the front wheels AND the rear wheels (again... something that FRONT WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES CANNOT DO!) then it is an all wheel drive vehicle. It may Not be full Time all wheel drive of course.... however. and yes.. there are many different ways an all wheel drive can distribute power and this can vary by manufacturer. It does appear that you ASSUME that the vehicle is going to be 100% FWD powered... until power is needed elsewhere.. ? Why? So.. let's do a little research... ?

Thanks for quoting just part of the BMW press release. Let's see some MORE of it...

" An efficiency-optimized version of the BMW xDrive intelligent all-wheel-drive system and newly developed chassis technology all help to enhance sporting ability and ride comfort compared to the outgoing model " Perhaps you will need to call BMW AG and tell them to re-write their press release.. ? Perhaps they messed up and said X drive ?

As far as power delivery... Indeed I am aware that many AWD systems begin with an initital concentration/allocation of power and then it is reapportioned based on need. MANY AWD systems are so front biased that they can NEVER at any time send ALL power to the rear... and yet the X1 does.

Speaking of FWD biased AWD... let's read a little on how Subaru's Symmetrical AWD and how it differs from some other systems.

http://www.manchestersubaru.com/suba...heel-drive.htm

And of course here is some information on BMW X DRIVE

" xDrive is the permanent all-wheel drive system from BMW: under normal circumstances, it distributes driver power between the front and rear axles in a 40:60 ratio, and changes this figure variably when the road surface or overall driving conditions change. Acting virtually instantaneously and a manner so subtle as to be go virtually unnoticed by the vehicle's occupants, xDrive can direct up to 100% of drive forces to one axle. "

hmm.. so it sounds like me that the X1 will also have a 40:60 split.. and can send to 100% to the rear axle...

That itself.. as far as I am concerned... even if in normal operation, 100% is sent to the front... if this thing can determine when to send more to the rear (and who knows what conditions are needed.. slippage? heavy throttle? Wide open throttle? ) and especially if it can send ALL power to the rear.. I really see very little point (other than hate!) in trying to pigeonhole this vehicle as FWD or even FWD biased (well.. unless you work for Subaru!)

I'm gonna bet that someone at BMW is probably typing up a page right now so that they can drop the science on how their system works in the X1... assuming it's any different... Of course.. Reading Comprehension being what it is these days...



And finally... if I am driving this mug... let me just tell you... There's gonna be plenty of " When required" time...

Okay, it's FWD most of the time

[Sincity]

Originally Posted by GuyOh

I need to see more pictures or atleast real life pictures of M sport package. For some strange reason, can't pint point why, but I'm like the white x1 with line better

Because you are right.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by NickRac

Twin Turbo V8? Please?

There's probably room for a spare motor in the hatch. So sure, why not?

[imserious]

Ironically, the non-M sport version looks better.

[Pentium]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

And you still haven't. At least not in the US.

Being available out of US is the same man

[OneTriniHill]

Looks like a minivan. Seriously not a fan of the shifter either.

[The long haul]

Originally Posted by Pentium

Being available out of US is the same man

Lol there is no winning an argument with M3 Adjuster. It's not even worth the effort lol.

[Pentium]

Originally Posted by The long haul

Lol there is no winning an argument with M3 Adjuster. It's not even worth the effort lol.

He didn't try to argue with me before

[e36]

This car looks very nice.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Skeiz

BMW's website, on the other hand, claims 57 front / 43 rear.

In the first paragraph on the Belgian page:
http://www.bmw.be/nl/new-vehicles/x/...ficientie.html

Vehicles equipped with xDrive have perfect 50/50 Weight Distribution.
It is on page 12 of the full press release.

[E90M3JETS]

Originally Posted by Mattar

Looks great!
Hope they put a bigger engine

+1. Looks good, but with this engine it will be embarrassed by a Hyundai Veracruz in straight line acceleration

[jwr0721]

Gahross

[OmegaMan]

I am not going to discount any of what has been said here. Only I will add my two cents worth to say simply, one uses the right tool for the right situation.

In the family I have an X1 E84 an E63 M6 and a FWD Caravan R/T (Ferrari of Mini-Vans). In the dash cam clip, on my way to Vegas I was doing 50mph in my E63 and white knuckling it up to Vail pass in the snow. At this stage of the long trip I would have preferred the X1 or the FWD car as mentioned.

I truly enjoy the non RWD cars in the snow and the X1 handles supreme in AWD...for me it is the right tool for the right situation.

Enjoy the slowest part of my Vegas trip below coming up to Vail Pass.

[u2b]https://youtu.be/75Qgz-sTpFQ[/u2b]

Note the bouncing of the truck and the CO State Patrol in the middle of the highway and my lack of wanting to pass anyone at anything near the posted speed limit in the E63. ;-) At least the hum of the V10 made the music sweeter.

[ShinySteelRobot]

Will an MPPK be available at the dealers?

It would be nice to get the 0-60 to be less than 6 seconds if possible.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Vehicles equipped with xDrive have perfect 50/50 Weight Distribution.
It is on page 12 of the full press release.

Something about this doesn't make sense. If the 57/43 is correct for fwd, the 50/50 can't be right for awd.

Just for round numbers, let's say the awd adds 100 pounds and the sDrive weighs 3,200 pounds.

sDrive would be 1824lbs / 1376lbs front and rear.

XDrive would be 1650/1650

Where did 175 pounds on the front axle go? Unless xDrive adds 450 pounds all to the rear axle, this smells of marketing BS, or at least one set of numbers has to be wrong.