[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

It's not replacing the F31, it's replacing the E84. BMW USA is to blame for the F31 being a dud. No rwd option, no manual option, no six cylinder option. All things the ROW gets.

I'd also assume that the F48 will be 200-500 pounds lighter than the porky E84.

The answer I had from bmw for not brigning the G21 to north american market is that the X1 And X3 are going to be so good that a 3 Touring won't be necessary. As for now I don't consider this X1 to be that good so the next X3 better be damn good.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by E92LNGCGY

Agreed. If the F31 had a 335 option with M Sport I would be at the dealer tomorrow.

Go to a dealer in the UK, Germany or Mexico. 😜

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

They answer I had from bmw for not brigning the G21 to north american market is that the X1 And X3 are going to be so good that a 3 Touring won't be necessary. As for now I don't consider this X1 to be that good so the next X3 better be damn good.

That's fair, we didn't consider the F31 to be that good, so got the E84 with the N55 instead. I just can't see the G chassis being anything good, with the recent trend BMW has been on.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

That's fair, we didn't consider the F31 to be that good, so got the E84 with the N55 instead. I just can't see the G chassis being anything good, with the recent trend BMW has been on.

Well you have alot of hp for the money with the E84 with a nice steering feel. On the other hand you have the old 6spd, terrible plastics quality in the interior, no back seat leg room and not alot of cargo room. So it all depend of your priority.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Well you have alot of hp for the money with the E84 with a nice steering feel. On the other hand you have the old 6spd, terrible plastics quality in the interior, no back seat leg room and not alot of cargo room. So it all depend of your priority.

Yeah, and the 6s is just as quick as the 8s when paired with the N55. It's also not like BMW went all high class on plastics with the F cars either.

But yeah, my 6'2" frame a rear facing kid seat, or 5'9" mom sure find the back small. Oh, wait, no they don't.

But in fairness, the F48 looks to have more room back there, probably on par with the F31, but still less than the F34.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Barbera335

With a front mounted transverse engine, front wheel drive proportions, and a front heavy weight bias.

all of which goes out the window because it is NOT a performance car. If you are looking at this as a performance minded vehicle I don't know what to say.

[Mavus]

plastic phantastic

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

Sold

me too!

I may have to make room in the stable for 1M and X1 as opposed to trading the 1M for an M2.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

It would be good if you'd read beyond the manual. See how the front brake calipers are in front of the hub, not behind, like just about every single BMW ever? That doesn't help steering feel, already an F chassis weakness. And like I said elsewhere, awd is not the same when dealing with a transverse vs longitudinal motor.

There are good ways of doing fwd based awd, like the new Focus RS or the STi, but most Haldex based cars are rather lackluster to drive. It appears that BMW is using their own system, which bodes well, but as noted, proportions and simple stuff like caliper placement don't seem promising from a driving dynamics standpoint. But I'll wait to see some reviews on this longitudinal motored, fwd based, kinda awd thing.

spot on!

[DASHOCKER]

mini x5. nice

[isugoo]

Looks amazing. They (finally) did great job on the new X1!

[VinX3]

I like the exterior, but the shifter and center bottom dash is ugly. The shifter is too tall and looks like a manual.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Tracus

spot on!

Are you guys taking this car to the track or are you guys pretending to feel all these things while driving the car to get groceries? Because I bet even with this tragedy of FWD based blah blah, you won't be able to drive it at the limit.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by socal TW

Are you guys taking this car to the track or are you guys pretending to feel all these things while driving the car to get groceries? Because I bet even with this tragedy of FWD based blah blah, you won't be able to drive it at the limit.

This one, or the E84? I haven't tracked our E84, but did track my M Coupe and 135i plenty and have explored the limits of the E84's handling plenty. A rainy or snowy day make it plenty easy, and a quiet entrance ramp makes it possible in the dry too.

Cars are supposed to be fun. Mini's are fun too, and yes, I have tracked an R50. This could still be fun, whether on the track or just a little light hooning. Or it could suck. The 2AT seems to point towards suck, but the F56 and F55 are still quite fun. So here's hoping it's fun.

It's a little childish, but I rag on rental cars, my dad's MB's, even their old Jeeps and a manual Trooper. Not knowing how cars deal with the limit of their abilities just seems silly.

[SukSqueezeBangBlo]

Similar color needs to be offered on the M2!

[BMW M3 CRT]

Originally Posted by Mattar

Looks great!
Hope they put a bigger engine

X1 M35i with 350hp B48 !?

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

X1 M35i with 350hp B48 !?

Given the GLA45 and (non US) RS Q3, this seems like a given.

[DCG]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

it's ALL WHEEL drive

Way tougher looking, the M Sport looks cool. Anything is better then the outgoing POS. Better designed, better looking and I hope it is better made. It needs to be offered in xDrive only! A definite improvement.

Now just waiting on a true BMW X4M!

[drexplode]

Originally Posted by GOLFFRR

wow that turned out great!

Hey Jimmy, do you know if David has pricing on the 2016 X1? Sorry if I missed it...

[Vector Pilot]

Originally Posted by wdeerfield

because soccer moms drive suv not wagon... its only 6" taller than the e90 and 3" shorter.. this is the same thing mercedes has done by introducing the GLA.. the germans are tricking the US market into liking wagons again.. this is the first step.. by making a jacked up wagon, people tell themselves its an SUV. I like it and cant wait to see it in person. i really hope the price is around 31,500 like the gen 1 x1 28i

Not sure if BMW is targeting North America as a primary market. Perhaps North America may be a secondary market. The X1 is has been huge success their primary market Europe and will even attract countless number of brand conscience consumers in China. With that being said the new X1 will attract more than its fair share of consumers, including my wife, shopping for a CUV.

[GOLFFRR]

Originally Posted by drexplode

Hey Jimmy, do you know if David has pricing on the 2016 X1? Sorry if I missed it...

hey there, I checked the other day with David for another forum member and David said July he should have all the info but is taking request now

[Matski]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Still is an heavy Suv with high COG and no power gain. How this is suppose to be a replacement for the 3 Touring for North American market?

Just had a quick look at the specs, X1 xDrive20i is 5kg lighter than an F31 20i, and the X1 sDrive20i is 55kg lighter... I wouldn't say it's a heavy SUV.