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      09-07-2018, 08:56 AM   #67
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X2 should've had more personality, like Evoque is for Range Rover. Putting on a M badge and 300hk engine isn't really doing much. Boring and old tech, with to big of a price tag.
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These M performance models are a joke. They're like how the base models used to be.
More like how the "real" Ms used to be.
Lol. NO. Not even remotely close...in the slightest way. Adding a bunch of stickers and badges doesn't make something special...
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Base model M Sports?? The M Sport trim is not base it’s the top trim level
Base model as in a "normal" car with M sport wheels and M badges slapped on it - I should have been more clear.

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A joke they may be, but I’m afraid you’re wrong... a base BMW (even with six cylinders) NEVER had 300hp...

The first M3 had around 200hp and was substantially slower to 60 than a current 330i & barely quicker than a current 320i... !!!
True on the BHP front, but as I said before, Ms specifically (and BMWs generally) haven't traditionally been about boasting the biggest BHP figures or the best 0-60 times.

I wonder how many times you could run a current 330i around an autocross without experiencing limp mode? Compared to the original M3?

You highlight the contradiction between new and old pretty well with that statement - if BMW has become a company focused on BHP and how "quick" a car is, there are other manufacturers who are much better at that - Audi and MB to name a few.
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Well it's one of the more positive reviewed BMWs of late. And I don't think anyone has ever tried to convince you that the 235 was a full blown M. Just the second best thing and more pumped than the normal
Right - I think that the 235/240 represents the typical performance one could expect to experience with a normal, base model in the past - but now you have to get an M performance car just to get the old, base level.

Just my $.02...
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Had an X2 with M Sport Pkg as a loaner car for a week. Was actually shocked at how well it handled on curvey roads.
This was my sentiment when I had one. I doubt I'd ever remotely consider one, but relative to the X1 it is night and day better. The magazine tests seemed to bear this out. With the big engine, it should be a fun little thing.

As for people not understanding why these crossover/suv coupe/lifted hatchback things are popular...well they hold more stuff than a car and unlike a car you don't have to get down into them. That makes life a lot easier when you're 20-50 pounds overweight as most Americans (and, these days, international consumers) are!
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Right - I think that the 235/240 represents the typical performance one could expect to experience with a normal, base model in the past - but now you have to get an M performance car just to get the old, base level.

Just my $.02...
I do agree with you about 'M performance' model designation is purely marketing.
(I don't like M in front of my 240i. I wish they just call it 240, not M240)

However, I cannot agree that M performance models are what 'base model' used to be.

It's higher power engine offering from base model with mppk.
(X3 30i is base, 228/230 is base)

These M flavored models are closer to real M in terms of hp but nowhere near the suspension. That's where real M differentiates from other brands' performance cars.
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Finally BMW figured out how to squeeze 300+ bhp from a 2L 4 cylinders. Jk
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Hasn't every M35i turned into a M40i by this point?
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cool Mini!!! I mean X2. Would definitely want if it was RWD biased and engine was mounted in correct direction for a BMW.
This. The primary reason I buy from BMW is that the engine is mounted the correct way (longitudinally, with the crankshaft of the engine running down the length of the car).

As soon as they cheap out (like most every other automaker) and mount engines transversely, they've lost me as a buyer. No amount of marketing-speak and lipstick-on-a-pig engineering band-aids fix a fundamental design problem when it comes to driving dynamics.

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You wouldn’t think it would be the N55 for long....maybe they’ve got a few laying around.

These M performance models are a joke. They’re like how the base models used to be.
Considering how many people on this forum talk about driving their vehicles in "comfort" or "eco" mode with all season tires and complain about "harsh" ride, M versions should not be standard. Unfortunately, BMW is no longer the company it was when the focus was 8000+ RPM NA horsepower.
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The torque figure really amazes me. The N54 and N55 with the most basic outputs had 400Nm. This one has 450Nm, like the most basic B58. Not bad.

Not far of the A45/CLA45 AMG with 475 Nm, but those have 80hp more. This is still an m performance model. In a real M car we could probably see a 400hp output, maybe the engine for the next M2.
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I still see a BMW GTI. Is this really an SUV? :
Who cares what it's called? It is what it is. Either you like it or not. If not, move along.
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Who cares what it's called? It is what it is. Either you like it or not. If not, move along.
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This car will sell very well and the broader buying audience will find it appealing because of packaging.
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wow these seats are better looking that F80 seats. even have the thigh support extension.
I know right.

My M2's seats suck by comparison.
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Lol. NO. Not even remotely close...in the slightest way. Adding a bunch of stickers and badges doesn't make something special...
In fairness it sounds like this is a lot more than just stickers and badges. An M Sport Package is stickers and badges. Just from a quick skim of the press release it looks like they changed the suspension, the transmission tuning (with launch control, not sure if the base models had this before), the seats (ask M2 owners about how important that is), the brakes, and even added a locking differential (something that's going to be available on other M Performance models going forward). I'm sure I'm missing some things, as well. It might not be a full M, but it's certainly a step towards M, and fits nicely in between. Frankly, after seeing how much they're doing to the X2 M35 and reading the gushing reviews of the M850 and Z4 M40 prototype drives, it shows me BMW is taking M Performance models seriously, and makes me very excited for the upcoming M340, M440, etc.
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I still remember how just a few years ago half of b-post was clamoring for a boosted 2 liter in the M2, and how that half was disappointed when I told them to expect the N55. Now everyone is going in the opposite direction.
That was not me. Not going to buy a 4 cylinder BMW ever. And not going to buy FWD based BMW as well. If I will want Mini - I will get Mini.
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this is so disappointing to me. I wanted to get an X1 with the 3.0l n55 but they only offered that car with the 6 speed auto, I wanted the 8 speed zf, my hope was the x2 35i would have the 3.0l with a zf8 and they downsized it to a 2.0l
why would you think BMW could fit a 3.0l 6 in a FWD platform? Use a wee bit of common sense.
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this is so disappointing to me. I wanted to get an X1 with the 3.0l n55 but they only offered that car with the 6 speed auto, I wanted the 8 speed zf, my hope was the x2 35i would have the 3.0l with a zf8 and they downsized it to a 2.0l
why would you think BMW could fit a 3.0l 6 in a FWD platform? Use a wee bit of common sense.
Why would BMW go front wheel drive on a "m performance" branded car. The x1 used the 3.0l on a xdrive plateform, and it was a great setup. BMW is based off "The Ultimate Driving Machine" and releases like this make it seem like there not appealing to that at all, especially using there M Performance brand. I don't doubt the car would be a good car, but it could be so much better..
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this is so disappointing to me. I wanted to get an X1 with the 3.0l n55 but they only offered that car with the 6 speed auto, I wanted the 8 speed zf, my hope was the x2 35i would have the 3.0l with a zf8 and they downsized it to a 2.0l
They stopped selling X1's with the N55 in 2015, so I don't get the disappointment - you've had three years to make peace with the M35i being a 2.0L. It hasn't been a secret, we've known for years this is what it was going to be. It does get the 8-speed you wanted, though it's an Aisin unit, not ZF.
The 3.0l i6 has always been BMWs goldilocks engine, it's arguably the best engine BMWs produced, and to this day they always market the big brother of a series as the X35i/X40i with the 3.0l. Including the new X3 M40i comes with it. Why would I be wrong to assume the 3.0l would be in order for this car aswell.
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