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      01-17-2018, 07:00 PM   #67
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Do you guys have the new Q3 yet? Anything looks better than the old one we still have. And the GLA is a bit naff too.

The X1/X2 is a full class down from the 3er thorough, so of course it won't have as nice of an interior. I will say that the Mini seats are abysmal though, BMW should really put better seats in the X1/X2.

Sad to say it, but my Mk7 has a better interior than our F30, and it was barely half the price of the BMW. I wouldn't expect too much of the G20, interiors have never been BMW's strength.
I think we do, but I’m afraid I don’t take a lot of notice of Audi, since I tested a TT a couple of years ago and my local Audi dealer offered the worst service I’ve ever experienced!!

The X2 may well be a class down from 3 series, but it costs just as much and that’s why I won’t touch it.

I take it you’re talking Golf Mk7..? If so I had one a couple of years ago and while the interior was good, my current F30 is better.. the LCI did improve the F30 centre console by a mile tho!

I disagree over bmw interiors, both my e90 and e92 had totally bulletproof interiors, I’d say as good as the Porsche I recently sold. But the F30 interior was a step down in quality definitely!!
Comparing Mk7 to LCI F30, the VW has nicer materials and generally looks more cohesive. Having owned a handful of Audi/VW and BMW's though I'll say that working on and replacing things in BMW's seems to be easier and better thought out.

So the actual surfaces and what you touch seem nicer in the VW, but I suspect over a decade the BMW will hold up better, especially with a little maintenance.

The X1/X2 being Mini based just spells disaster though, at least if looking at used Minis is any sort of indicator.
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Decent design I guess. But that is some tacky red leather interior. Absolutely NOT a fan of the metallic Sunset Orange and metallic Bumblebee Yellow.
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can we get photos of just how small the rear trunk space is? or is this car not meant to carry anything but 4 millennials that want a roundel
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This one seems to be the M sport "non x-line". It also has the electronic gear shifter for some reason.

Id take the E-pace without a second thought, but to each his own.
That's weird. Why would this one have the electronic shifter and not the manual one?
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Decent design I guess. But that is some tacky red leather interior. Absolutely NOT a fan of the metallic Sunset Orange and metallic Bumblebee Yellow.
BMW has plenty of greyscale colors in their lineup already for you , right ?
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This one seems to be the M sport "non x-line". It also has the electronic gear shifter for some reason.

Id take the E-pace without a second thought, but to each his own.
That's weird. Why would this one have the electronic shifter and not the manual one?
The M sport gets flappy paddles, which likely actually be attached to a different (read: faster shifting 8 speed ) automatic transmission ?
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The X1/X2 is a full class down from the 3er thorough, so of course it won't have as nice of an interior. I will say that the Mini seats are abysmal though, BMW should really put better seats in the X1/X2.
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I agree, the new X1 lookes terrible. My E84 interior is way more comprehensive and richer (and nicer ) than the new X1. The new X1 is terrible and many things are actually taken away. Like the cushion element that covered the area between the back seats and the rear door that is now inexistent. The vehicle got cheap and poor in terms of materials and design. Plus seats are narrower and not confortable.
A cheaper vehicle with a FWD platform, with less HP, unconfortable, not a true xDrive, etc... progress? Nope.
Terrible.
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The M sport gets flappy paddles, which likely actually be attached to a different (read: faster shifting 8 speed ) automatic transmission ?
I tried to make some sense of this by looking at the X1 but failed.

Here is a 2018 X1 xDrive 20d M-sport with paddles and the ugly shifter:
https://www.blocket.se/vastmanland/B....htm?ca=15&w=3
And here is a 2018 X1 xDrive 20d M-sport with paddles and the nice shifter:
https://www.blocket.se/dalarna/BMW_X...=15&w=3&last=1

What's the difference??
(Edit: From the VIN the nice one is about two months newer and has a different type code.)

Also note that the X2, just like the X1, will come with either 7-speed DCT or 8-speed auto depending on engine.

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I tried to make some sense of this by looking at the X1 but failed.

Here is a 2018 X1 xDrive 20d M-sport with paddles and the ugly shifter:
https://www.blocket.se/vastmanland/B....htm?ca=15&w=3
And here is a 2018 X1 xDrive 20d M-sport with paddles and the nice shifter:
https://www.blocket.se/dalarna/BMW_X...=15&w=3&last=1

What's the difference??
(Edit: From the VIN the nice one is about two months newer and has a different type code.)

Also note that the X2, just like the X1, will come with either 7-speed DCT or 8-speed auto depending on engine.

interesting..... and confusing for sure.
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I sat in the blue one at the auto show today. It's a full zoot M Sport with a leather dash . . . I was actually pleasantly surprised at how nice the interior was for its class (read: compared to a Q3, not a 5 series. Of course it won't be up to par with most 3/5/7 series cars).

The automotive market is evolving. You guys complain too much about stupid shit like badges and mirrors. Get over it. If you don't like the X2, they still make M2's and M4'a.
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First we need some more hp

X2 with 300hp yeah if the price is good maybe i am interested. A nice rear mechanical lsd so i can do some 4 wheel drifts up the hill when i am on vacation in the alps in winter

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Decent design I guess. But that is some tacky red leather interior. Absolutely NOT a fan of the metallic Sunset Orange and metallic Bumblebee Yellow.
BMW has plenty of greyscale colors in their lineup already for you , right ?
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The automotive market is evolving. You guys complain too much about stupid shit like badges and mirrors. Get over it. If you don't like the X2, they still make M2's and M4'a.
I'll overlook the fact that the M cars have become straight line missiles at the expense of finesse in the corners. So what you're saying is that we should be happy that BMW still offers one or two driver-oriented cars instead of a whole lineup of them?

I get the economics of it, and I don't mind them cashing in where they can. I just hope they re-invest those profits into the 'core business' the same way Porsche has used the Cayenne profits to make the 911 and (especially) the Boxster better. Let's hope the G20 returns to form and is more E46 than F30.
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Kinda wish I waited for this. I LOVE the roundels on the C pillar.

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I really hope you are joking about the roundels they are literally the most tacky thing
I like it :

How is it any worse than the "m badges slapped on the fenders of every car" now?
I agree it is not worse than M badges on non-Ms. but it still seems like a roundel on another face of the car, just to make sure your neighbor doesnt not know you bought a bmw. Which is very much the wrong reason to buy the car. Thats just how i see it
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BMW emblems everywhere! Just incase you or anyone around you don't realize its a BMW!

So stupid.

BMW has gone down the toilet
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BMW emblems everywhere! Just incase you or anyone around you don't realize its a BMW!

So stupid.

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That's your opinion.

I'm not an enthusiast, and I didn't buy that M4 for HP or 0-60 and certainly not to mod or track it. So yea, badging matters and BMW knows it.

I'd say whoever gets my sloppy seconds is getting a well treated and maintained car....
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I just got back from the show.

Overall, BMW's display was decent. Mercedes knocked it out of the park, but BMW and Audi were pretty good. Unfortunately, which seemed to be a theme for all 3 manufacturers, 90% of the cars you could sit inside were the lower end models or the SUVs.

The X2 was fine. Decent enough looking, decent enough interior, etc. It would be a good purchase for a young family.

Same goes for the new X3 M sport they had on display.

M5 was impressive, and a lot of people were gathered around the two i8s they had.

The Seattle and Vancouver shows I've been to provided a lot more access to the cars.
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This is a Sh*thole car.
Wait is it built in the South Africa plant? Sorry, in light of recent events, I had to make a bad joke. In any event...I am shocked they're building it in Superman colors! Tbh, I probably would never buy one of these, but if it had xDrive and the B58 turbo 6 it would be very interesting!
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While I fully appreciate the need for a compact SUV, I really just don't understand the X2, simply because the X1 exists. I mean, have a look at these cars in the profile view:



Take away the labels and ask anyone who isn't a registered member on Bimmerpost (or a BMW employee) to say which is which, and they're likely to insist that they're all the same car in different trim levels!

The question is not, "Do you like the X2?" The question is, "Will buyers choose the X2 at a $5k price premium when the X1 exists?"
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