Results of M4 GTS vs 991 GT3 RS @ short GP track Nurburgring

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Bashful

Read Evo or Motor trend's articles about the GTS.... the M4 is not an M4 GTS...like a 911 carrera S is not a gt3 RS. You don't know what you're talking about....it's ok, it happens...but you just can't make generalizations, if you really have no reference....but it is the internet...so...

I was just going off another video of this gt3 Vs gts. The driver of the GTS appeared (imo) to have a harder time. Still having to correct whereas the gt3 driver didn't seem as much. *shrug*

I guess like others have said wider rear tires help.

[adc]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

I was just going off another video of this gt3 Vs gts. The driver of the GTS appeared (imo) to have a harder time. Still having to correct whereas the gt3 driver didn't seem as much. *shrug*

I guess like others have said wider rear tires help.

But you are still laboring under the impression that the regular M4 is some kind of oversteer monster. It simply isn't, and I've tracked mine totally stock last year both in the dry and wet.

That's the trouble with the Internet, some things are said a couple of times and they become "fact". Check out the track section to see if anyone is complaining about excessive oversteer...

[VCP]

Not necessarily. Do you drive like me? Do I drive like your competition? See what I am saying? Different styles benefit from sometimes almost opposite setups.

Originally Posted by adc

I hope they never do! Understeer is killer on track, takes out the fun and slows the car down.

I've just begun to enjoy the F80 platform at the track, which has the least amount of understeer of anything BMW that I tried before. I hope they continue this trend.

[VCP]

I agree. I also believe this issue is due in part to the abrupt snap point of the PSS. Not bashing them, they are just not for everyone when this much TQ is at hand. I much prefer RE71R's or AD08R's for break feel and oversteer control.

Originally Posted by adc

But you are still laboring under the impression that the regular M4 is some kind of oversteer monster. It simply isn't, and I've tracked mine totally stock last year both in the dry and wet.

That's the trouble with the Internet, some things are said a couple of times and they become "fact". Check out the track section to see if anyone is complaining about excessive oversteer...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

If by same speed you mean 7:25 for the GT3 and 7:28 for the GTS, then yea.

And by old I mean, half way through its life cycle and been around for about 3 years (2017 model year is out and these started in 2014) whereas the GTS is brand new and still can't match it let alone a GT3 RS which in all reality is really what it's trying to compete with.
Again, what its based off is meaningless given how much work went into it. There isn't much it shares with a 418, but you should know that. Btw a current 991.2S on street tires is as fast as the GTS with 100 hp less and quite a bit less money to boot...

BMW has quoted more than once that the M4 GTS is slated to compete in the 911 GT3 market, not the RS. The pricing strategy is very reflective of that, the RS has an MSRP 30~40% higher.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Exactly to your last point that is exactly the epitome of Porsche. You must be mixing them up though. Porsches are one of the only cars that will go all day and still take more. The only car that will overheat at the track is the BMW as they do oh so often and wash out after a couple hard braking zones. How many times has BMW won 24 hour endurance racing? That itself is a testament to what goes into the street cars.
Any Porsche will only go around a track more consistently than anything BMW. A 911 turbo will go all day using its launch control or around a track where the M4 GTS wouldn't go 10 launches without breaking and on similar tires would only be left in the dust, same with a basic Carrera or Cayman/boxster. Sorry, but the second tier 911 (a GT car) is faster than the most expensive and most track ready BMW they can make (on equal tires). And the fact that it doesn't have the downforce or the adjustability (duh it's not a track car) just adds insult to injury. That's where I'll always stand having gotten to experience ownership of many from both brands.

Done arguing since you made it obvious you know very little with that post.

That's an interresting point of view that differs from my own experience. I think it is important not to confuse ///M with standard BMWs when comparing with Porsche.

I have tracked 3 ///M cars over the last 15 years at a rate of 16-20 track days per season. Only mods were brake pads, track tires and camber plates on all 3. I never had any reliability issues with any of the 3 and never had to pull off track due to overheating.

However, quite a few of my track buddies needed to modify their (recent model) Porsches more extensively to make them track ready so they could track more reliably (not talking GT models here)...

[dgp]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

That's an interresting point of view that differs from my own experience. I think it is important not to confuse ///M with standard BMWs when comparing with Porsche.

I have tracked 3 ///M cars over the last 15 years at a rate of 16-20 track days per season. Only mods were brake pads, track tires and camber plates on all 3. I never had any reliability issues with any of the 3 and never had to pull off track due to overheating.

However, quite a few of my track buddies needed to modify their (recent model) Porsches more extensively to make them track ready so they could track more reliably (not talking GT models here)...

Don't argue with Porsche fanboy, he was banned here a while back and came with a different screen name spewing the same rhetoric. Best to put him on ignore until he gets banned again

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by adc

But you are still laboring under the impression that the regular M4 is some kind of oversteer monster. It simply isn't, and I've tracked mine totally stock last year both in the dry and wet.

That's the trouble with the Internet, some things are said a couple of times and they become "fact". Check out the track section to see if anyone is complaining about excessive oversteer...

Just going off BMW comments and what I've seen (HPDE and Vids). Have you seen the video of the F series M3 Vs the Alpina D3?
Different cars of course but you'll see what I'm talking about.

The reality is that both the GTS and stock car perform well in capable hands.

[nizer]

Originally Posted by jml

imagine what the GTS could do with centerlocks....

ROFL

[surewin]

Originally Posted by MichaK01

NEVER ... Porsche is a Beetle with a race engine.
Try to go fast with the Porsche by wet conditions

Yeah a 911 sucks in the rain

Don't forget that Nick Tandy took the overall win at Road Atlanta in a 911, driving faster than even both prototype classes.

http://www.roadatlanta.com/2015-petit-le-mans-recap-2