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      01-18-2020, 09:55 AM   #551
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So even BMW said its not an M3 and just M sport elements lol
lol... add another 25+ pages to the thread, we're back at the starting point again.
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The douchebaggery of M owners is real. Just look at the General topics section of F80 forums. Having said that if you paid more or nearly same money for M340i rather than an M3 - you missed out and that's all on you.
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I hadn't looked at the M340i specs to see what the issue is.

This is the first thing you see on the BMW page for the sedan. I don't have a horse in this race, just a FYI.

Looks like an awesome car. It has a M LSD!

I would buy this car.
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I hadn't looked at the M340i specs to see what the issue is.

This is the first thing you see on the BMW page for the sedan. I don't have a horse in this race, just a FYI.

Looks like an awesome car. It has a M LSD!

I would buy this car.

Says "the most powerful non-M 3 Series ever"
Marketing team says it's non-M, bean counters say it's ///M
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Lol. Owners of M340i will start telling people their car is more powerful than M3 based on it having bigger number. M3 is baseline entry. M340 is top of the line powerhouse.
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just adding some fuel to this garbage fire of a thread
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But when my 335 with a tune and down pipes is raping it I don't see the hype for me personally, I want a balance. Since we don't have a track. But I like to screw around, and partake in the occasional 1/2 mile race where every E9x performs subpar, even supercharged ones couldn't quite keep up with me.
It's all relative to how you choose to use the car.

When I had my car in Florida where everything was flat and straight, I'd buy into your philosophy. But it would have been guided by my personal scenario and not the engineer's intent.

I brought the car to California, I have no intention of drag racing people on the highway. I spend most of my time flying through the canyons or some winding mountain pass, by myself, at 6AM on a Sunday morning. My goal is to avoid traffic and other drivers all together.

If I saw the hype in spanking people in a half mile straight line I'd simply buy a Tesla, or even build a rust bucket Fox Body mustang and make people look like fools with a $7,500 shitbox.

I don't believe this car "underperforms" in a straight line. It performs well enough for something it wasn't engineered for.
I definitely agree there. I tossed the idea around a lot.
I was younger when looking and only had my 1 child as well so my vehicle desire was different. Now I'd be fine with one, but they're too old now
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Who buys a base M3? It's just like an OP on another topic asked the question. Do you think he should buy a C43 or an M3? I told him the two cars arent in the same class and shouldn't be shopped together. I know this because Wife owns a C43 convertible and I own a f80.

You dont shop a M340 and M3 together. Either you want the best M gives you or you want a daily cruiser with some stuff thrown in there by M. There is no comparison.
The "base" F80 has more than comfortably loaded 340. You buy the M3 for the joy of ride and performance, not for HUD and parking sensors....
I guess you have some misunderstanding about comfort ness . With the DCT on the m3, there is no the f80 can be a better daily driver than a m340 (even a base one)
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Obviously this is nothing but a sales tactic, look at what Mercedes does with the 43 line and what Audi has turned the S line into. If anyone is really confused on why BMW is doing this branding change, look at the thread on the main page titled "BMW M Hit Record Sales in 2019." If you combine pedestrian cars sales with Halo car sales, you're padding numbers & hoping to sell more volume cars based on prestige.

Personally, I think they should bring the "iS" subbrand back. If makes much more sense.
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I'm sure it's been said before but all I see this doing is pushing prices higher for E9x and earlier models. Maybe the F8x chassis will get love too but the older M's should appreciate slightly.
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I like these threads. Reminds me of my fighter pilot days. I flew the F/A-18 and it was the best fighter in the world. The F-14 guys drove a dinosaur, the Air Force guys were all weanies with their ascots and golf courses. We spent endless hours talking about how we were better and then hours in the air fighting each other. Everyone always came away knowing they were the best. Not just thinking, actually knowing it with al their heart and soul. I would never in a million years admit that an Eagle driver was better than me. Even if he was gunning my brains out at the time. This was more about the pilots than it was about the aircraft and their performance. We had to think we were the best. You don't win by thinking you are ok.

Ya'll are doing the same thing. It ain't about the cars, it's all about the egos.

I can say that when it came time to go to battle, all the egos fell away and the aircraft that we always knew were the best at what they were designed for always got the right job. And sometimes that meant I was not out front killing all the Migs.
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Sorry, needs an "S" series engine
You're right! Exit M2 and 1M then. So we can all agree that the last real M-car was the e92 M3! Furthermore, it had a NA engine, as a real M-car should have
I still miss my E92 M3. Should've kept it.
Still got my e92 m3 and love it. It now keeps up with modern m3 cars as it now has a Harrop Supercharger! So now best of both worlds! One of the best V8s and modern turbo power 😄 I even have the Harrop Ultimate brakes! 6 piston callipers at the front and 4 at the back
Man, that's awesome. Keep it long term. I still look at E92 M3's on Autotrader to see if I should just pick up another one. I just don't have garage space currently.

I still think about all the cars I've owned and E92 is the only one I should've kept long term. I had ESS full exhaust and it sounded incredible.
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People bragging about their income to defend their "M"340i purchase sound very secure
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just adding some fuel to this garbage fire of a thread
Too bad we not getting it here in the states!
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      01-18-2020, 11:30 AM   #565
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Too bad we not getting it here in the states!
so true - I would but that car
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      01-18-2020, 11:34 AM   #566
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People bragging about their income to defend their "M"340i purchase sound very secure
oh that's just one example of insecurity in this thread - there are so so many more you could add from all sides of the argument.
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Man, that's awesome. Keep it long term. I still look at E92 M3's on Autotrader to see if I should just pick up another one. I just don't have garage space currently.

I still think about all the cars I've owned and E92 is the only one I should've kept long term. I had ESS full exhaust and it sounded incredible.
We sound the same lol not only do i also frequent auto trader for another e9x m3 but my previous e92 m3 had an ESS exhaust, well rear section + test pipes. Out of all the cars I've ever owned that's the one I miss the most.
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I think the most ironic thing about this thread is people arguing over what the actual brand is saying their own cars are classified as.

(Real)M car owner: Hey BMW, the M340 I is a fake M car!
BMW: Uh no, it's an M car now because we make the car and we say it is. Why do you say it isn't?
(Real)M car owner: Because F$#% You!
(FakeM)340i owner: I just got the car because I liked it, not because it has an M.
Well said and spot on. It's not a cost issue as it was in the past because all the M340i's I see are stickered at the dealership are at $70k+, if it's a personal preference to getting a G versus a F M3 then more power to you. The B58 is awesome and a lot shop heads and engineers prefer it to S55. The real problem with this thread is the /// guys getting offended what the manufacturer doing what it wants to do with THEIR monikers. Time to move on to Porsche 👋🏼

Perhaps M division should just split like Genesis did with Hyundai. Just have it be a Motorsport M4 / M5 / M8 etc.
I liked it better when you were actually considering being done with this thread and gave us a peace out.

In reality, as an M owner, I don't give a faaaawwwwk what BMW or anyone else labels the X3m340imperformance etc or anything else like it. I prefer the driving experience an M car delivers. Now, I haven't driven the M340i so can't comment on how it drives but I have drove the X3M40i and it's quite impressive. A colleague of mine just purchased a 2020 and it's quite the machine. But, it's not comparable in many ways to the X3MComp I drove. Doesn't make it shit, it's just not the same. So whatever that means to anyone, I don't care.

I also don't care about anyone's history with the BMW brand, how many driving schools you been to or how small your penis is that your compensating for. I drove the cars I drive for me and that's really all anyone needs to worry about. Stop justifying why you bought an M340i and why you THINK it's so great. You like it and that's why you bought it. Enjoy it. It's quite simple
Hahahahaha the funny thing is I don't own an M340i! And actually considering an S55 soon and moding the shit out of it or an X5 depending on circumstances.

I'm just having an unbiased opinion and defending the brand when all the hard on's who don't know anything about the science of the cars emphatically state why it's not something without ever driving and experiencing the car itself. A few of us are providing the science and data behind the car such as a locking differential, and the /// folks are are arguing it doesn't have the essence.

So it's going to be an endless argument of why it should be considered an M and why it shouldn't be, and a few of us like myself of "who cares? It's a BMW ✊🏼". But you know what none of our opinions actually matter, it's the people that make these cars and that's BMW GmbH.
Problem with your "science" is that you can't throw parts at a car and expect to the drive the same, deliver the same feel or be even close to the same overall experience. And again, this is coming from someone who doesn't care what anyone refers to these new cars as.

There is something to be said about the driving dynamics M cars deliver. Every car analyst out there would agree, cause they've all said it. That doesn't take away from the type of car these M340i M550 etc are. I almost bought an M550. Excellent car, but no M.
How can you make such an ignorant statement, does Wayne Brady need to tell another clown to go sit down?

A car especially one that is not handcrafted and off an assembly is a mechanical machine that's engineered. It's a suspension, drivetrain/differentials, transmission and engine on a chassis managed by an ECU and TCU that can be unlocked or swapped and scientifically adjusted. Anything can be engineered however the F you want. I know a couple people that turned their 135i's into complete 1M track builds from the ground up spec for exact spec and much better with better parts that would smoke a stock 1M in all aspects drivetrain and suspension wise. I know a guy in LA who wanted a F80 M3 wagon here in the states with deep pockets so he did the entire conversion part for exact part, panel to panel to OEM specs even the axel width... with better than M parts. It's the most badass M3 I think I've seen.

It's a mechanical machine, that's all. Not some handcrafted prototype. Have you ever heard of SEMA?? (probably not smh) yeah go look it up before you just start spewing...
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I'm just going to start viewing these as trims now with the "actual" M the top trim level.

Way too many M versions out, I do like how simplistic Audi does it...S-Line, S variant, RS variant.
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I'm just going to start viewing these as trims now with the "actual" M the top trim level.

Way too many M versions out, I do like how simplistic Audi does it...S-Line, S variant, RS variant.
Why? An S-line is the worst of all as it's just a trim package. All car manufacturers need to get rid of trim packages. These new MP's M340i, M550i, M850i, XM40i etc. are well engineered machines with locking differentials, track rated suspension, BBK's etc. Pound-for-pound these cars are equivalent to the Audi S' while the actual M Motorsport cars are compared to the RS class. BMW just has tiers "above" that are track friendly such as the M2CS, etc.
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People bragging about their income to defend their "M"340i purchase sound very secure
Funniest ones are ppl throwing in claims of what their W-2 forms show.

Like no one gives a shit what you make nor what you can buy lol.
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I like these threads. Reminds me of my fighter pilot days. I flew the F/A-18 and it was the best fighter in the world. The F-14 guys drove a dinosaur, the Air Force guys were all weanies with their ascots and golf courses. We spent endless hours talking about how we were better and then hours in the air fighting each other. Everyone always came away knowing they were the best. Not just thinking, actually knowing it with al their heart and soul. I would never in a million years admit that an Eagle driver was better than me. Even if he was gunning my brains out at the time. This was more about the pilots than it was about the aircraft and their performance. We had to think we were the best. You don't win by thinking you are ok.

Ya'll are doing the same thing. It ain't about the cars, it's all about the egos.

I can say that when it came time to go to battle, all the egos fell away and the aircraft that we always knew were the best at what they were designed for always got the right job. And sometimes that meant I was not out front killing all the Migs.

exactly... it is just about egos not the cars. so childish in my opinion.
if i could speak for all the m340i drivers i would say... keep the rights for the m badge. the m340i is just a 3 series with enhanced power... so many egos would get happy. i dont need a m badge on my car to have fun with it.
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