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View Poll Results: Will Donald Trump be Impeached or will this blowback on Biden
Orange Trump bad. Trump gone. 83 32.30%
Trump Trump-umphant. 88 34.24%
Inclusive 18 7.00%
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      11-13-2019, 09:17 PM   #2267
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Maybe bright lights and loud noises are all that is required to hypnotize the weak minded, but I've been dealing with these types my entire career. They are mostly just projecting confidence. Fake it till you make it. Pretend to be strong and people with think you are strong. This is boiler room yuppie BS.

Speak softly and carry a big stick.
Anyone who didn't vote the corrupt Hillary is dumb, in your opinion. Lol

This hoax is another reminder that the Democrats are still the real enemy of the people and have been since 1861! And still very angry we freed their slaves!

And simply furious with us for voting for Trump and not the single most flawed candidate in the history of the world, who was so bad, she could not even win a rigged election!
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After the hearing today a democratic aide told The Washington Post( the dems own private newspaper) ......

“We’re screwed this week on hearings— no bombshells, no revelations. The onus is on us to wow some people this week”.

Behind the scenes even they know it’s a done deal. Say Good night Gracie
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So three or four times removed hearsay must be the holy grail of evidence! Nothing Trumps that
Read the transcript.

Didn't Trump say:
"They say crowdstrike...........the server. They say Ukraine has it"

"I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good"

" I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly"

All hearsay, and ALL factually inaccurate.
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I remember watching Nixon step down

I don't believe I will be adding any similar memories with Trump
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Personally I'd define "withheld" as being delayed past the deadline the funding had to be distributed by. There's a window of time the Executive Branch has to distribute the funds. This funding was indeed distributed within the allowable period. This isn't even debated. For me the discussion focused specifically on your question starts and ends with the fact that nothing illegal or unauthorized happened in regards to the distribution of this funding.
And apparently, State Department ultimately concluded that the White House didn't have the standing to hold up the funding

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...mp-says-he-did
Your post doesn't contradict my point. The funding wasn't "held up" by my definition of the phrase. The Executive Branch has a window of time to distribute the funding; and the funding was distributed before the deadline. The President is required to provide the funding by date certain; and it was. This simply is a non issue.

This is akin to the President receiving a bill on Nov 1, paying it on Nov 10, when the due date is Nov 15. Democrats want to call it corrupt that he didn't pay the bill when he received it... but he did pay it before the due date. This is why the President's act doesn't fit my definition of being held up. I wouldn't say I "held up" paying a bill when I indeed paid the bill before the due date.

Democrats can't say there's a violation when the funding was paid within the period allowed. That's my only point here.
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Imo, Pelosi will shut it down tomorrow evening.
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CNN’s Toobin: neither witness “had direct contact with the president…that’s a problem”

Really?
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      11-14-2019, 07:36 AM   #2274
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So the state of New York didn't just throw a 2 million dollar penalty at him? What's false, please explain.
He didn't steal money from a charity, for starters. But keep trying.
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Your post doesn't contradict my point. The funding wasn't "held up" by my definition of the phrase. The Executive Branch has a window of time to distribute the funding; and the funding was distributed before the deadline. The President is required to provide the funding by date certain; and it was. This simply is a non issue.

This is akin to the President receiving a bill on Nov 1, paying it on Nov 10, when the due date is Nov 15. Democrats want to call it corrupt that he didn't pay the bill when he received it... but he did pay it before the due date. This is why the President's act doesn't fit my definition of being held up. I wouldn't say I "held up" paying a bill when I indeed paid the bill before the due date.

Democrats can't say there's a violation when the funding was paid within the period allowed. That's my only point here.
If we knew nothing of the events that transpired between those dates, I would agree with you. However, we know exactly what was going on and why the aid was being held up. It's in the President's own words on the transcript he released himself.

Additionally, the timeline points to the funds being paid only after the WH got wind of the whistleblower claim.

Here's something very telling to me: If the WH was so confident they were doing the right thing by withholding the funds, why not keep withholding them? If it's because they were "rooting out corruption in Ukraine," that's not a notion that was resolved in the weeks between when they were supposed to release the funds and when they did release them. If you believe what you're doing is right, stand behind it and make a statement saying so. The President did not ask for the Ukrainian government to investigate corruption, he asked them to SAY they were investigating Biden. Only. Isn't that just a little curious? That's the only investigation he wants?

It's crystal clear to anyone without a political bias what was happening. Not one person who has testified, publicly or privately, has corroborated the WH sequence of events. Even those who thought they were helping to bolster the WH angle have admitted they were, in fact, holding up the aid.
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So the state of New York didn't just throw a 2 million dollar penalty at him? What's false, please explain.
He didn't steal money from a charity, for starters. But keep trying.
Please enlighten me how he didn't steal from a charitable foundation?
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He didn't steal money from a charity, for starters. But keep trying.
Semantics.

"Intentionally misusing charitable donations for your political campaign, instead" is what most folks would consider "stealing" in a general moral sense. Perhaps not according to the letter of the law, but we're not lawyers. I'm not at least, I have no idea what you do for a living.
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He raised $3M for veterans that never got to veterans. It was instead used for a personal political campaign. If that was Obama, you would be in a violent rage about not supporting veterans blah blah blah hates America blah blah blah.

If I ask you to drive my car to the dealership and you take it to your friend's house and never give it back, you stole my car.
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What? It's one of my favorites...
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I'd rather see some Trump sharpie art.
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He raised $3M for veterans that never got to veterans. It was instead used for a personal political campaign. If that was Obama, you would be in a violent rage about not supporting veterans blah blah blah hates America blah blah blah...
I don't know enough about DetroitM2, specifically, but this is undeniably true for the majority of conservatives out there, yes.
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jmg. I'm really concerned for your health/stability. Are you OK?
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That much is obvious.

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He raised $3M for veterans that never got to veterans. It was instead used for a personal political campaign.
Thats a patently false statement. Source? I have plenty.


https://www.factcheck.org/2019/11/po...ole-from-vets/
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/07/77728...undation-funds


EDIT: This was exactly the point of my original comment. so many of the far left leaning people here keep propping up this narrative that he "stole" from veterans/charities. Thats just not true. I'd love to see some actual facts that stand behind that, because everything I've seen so far is just the liberal media spin show.
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I don't know enough about DetroitM2, specifically, but this is undeniably true for the majority of conservatives out there, yes.
I didn't like Obama on many points, but I also did not hate him.

I do not care for Trump's tactics but appreciate the good he is doing. Guys a pompous asshole with an ego the size of Texas.
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