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      07-25-2016, 05:20 PM   #1
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19 Dead in Knife Attack in Japan

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...kyo/ar-BBuQVrO

just saw this. Ridiculous and it almost seems like we are having an outbreak of mass murders. Maybe I havent been as in tune with them in the past, but it seems every day there is another attack.

Sounds like it isnt a "Terrorist" attack and is just the work of a single crazy man, but cmon.

Also, not to bring politics into this or use this to tragedy to further a political stance, but doesnt Japan have super strict gun laws? To those thinking strict gun laws will stop mass killings, just look at the recent weapons used. Truck, axe, bomb, knife...
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...kyo/ar-BBuQVrO

just saw this. Ridiculous and it almost seems like we are having an outbreak of mass murders. Maybe I havent been as in tune with them in the past, but it seems every day there is another attack.

Sounds like it isnt a "Terrorist" attack and is just the work of a single crazy man, but cmon.

Also, not to bring politics into this or use this to tragedy to further a political stance, but doesnt Japan have super strict gun laws? To those thinking strict gun laws will stop mass killings, just look at the recent weapons used. Truck, axe, bomb, knife...
I was very surprised to see this happen in Japan of all places, I feel like they have their shit together over there. The dude went into a disabled home and just started stabbing people....WTF.

Japan has some of the strictest gun laws. We have seen so many examples recently as to why gun control doesn't work.
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People have been killing each other en mass since the beginning of time.
Gun control is not and will never be the solution.
It's crazy peoples!! That's the problem
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I was very surprised to see this happen in Japan of all places, I feel like they have their shit together over there. The dude went into a disabled home and just started stabbing people....WTF.

Japan has some of the strictest gun laws. We have seen so many examples recently as to why gun control doesn't work.
You'll have to elaborate on how a mass stabbing somehow justifies your idea that gun control doesn't work. My head hurts just trying to make the correlation, are you saying that this guy would have shot up the place if he had a gun but since he didn't he stabbed people so if there hadn't been gun control it'd been better or er whaaa?
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You'll have to elaborate on how a mass stabbing somehow justifies your idea that gun control doesn't work. My head hurts just trying to make the correlation, are you saying that this guy would have shot up the place if he had a gun but since he didn't he stabbed people so if there hadn't been gun control it'd been better or er whaaa?
People are going to kill people. If not a gun, a knife. If not a knife, a backpack with a bomb. If not that, a truck. Someone who had a carry permit could have ended this much earlier. What is so hard to understand? I am sure your head hurts a lot trying to figure things out....
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I was very surprised to see this happen in Japan of all places, I feel like they have their shit together over there. The dude went into a disabled home and just started stabbing people....WTF.

Japan has some of the strictest gun laws. We have seen so many examples recently as to why gun control doesn't work.
What?? I'm not debating gun control laws here (cause that's a lose/lose proposition ) but what you said above makes NO sense.

The murder rate is WAY lower in Japan than the US. As a matter of fact, there are few modern, non-third world countries where the murder rate is as high as the US. The US is 12,900 murders per 100,000 people and Japan (with strict gun laws) is around 500. Yep, gun control played no part

How you can possibly point to a single mass murder in Japan with a knife as evidence that gun control doesn't work is a bit nuts There are VERY few murders in Japan and VERY few mass murders... many would suggest because of gun control. Now, compare that to the US where a mass murder is almost a weekly event.

Regardless, I'm not debating gun laws but I am suggesting your logic is a tad flawed.
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People are going to kill people. If not a gun, a knife. If not a knife, a backpack with a bomb. If not that, a truck. Someone who had a carry permit could have ended this much earlier. What is so hard to understand? I am sure your head hurts a lot trying to figure things out....
Yes, correct. People who want to kill people will find a way. That is irrelevant in your argument. Guns make that process WAY easier. The murder rates of countries with stricter gun laws almost, without exception, result in lower murder rates.

Yes, crazy people will still find a way but it is a heck of a lot more difficult and FAR less common in countries with stricter gun laws than in countries with less regulation. That's pretty much clear.

P.S. The person with a "permit" ending it early is unsupported... how many times do you hear of an innocent, law abiding, gun owner stepping in to save a bunch of people from being killed by a crazy person? Yeah, never. The good Samaritan argument is not particularly valid. Of all of the mass murders in the last year in the US, I can't recall even one where a law abiding person came to the rescue with the permit allowed gun.
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People are going to kill people. If not a gun, a knife. If not a knife, a backpack with a bomb. If not that, a truck. Someone who had a carry permit could have ended this much earlier. What is so hard to understand? I am sure your head hurts a lot trying to figure things out....
You're one of those "an armed society is a polite society" boneheads huh?
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Yes, correct. People who want to kill people will find a way. That is irrelevant in your argument. Guns make that process WAY easier. The murder rates of countries with stricter gun laws almost, without exception, result in lower murder rates.

Yes, crazy people will still find a way but it is a heck of a lot more difficult and FAR less common in countries with stricter gun laws than in countries with less regulation. That's pretty much clear.
Yes, Japan has much less violence than the US. Britain has more violence than the US per 100k and they don't have guns. As someone from Canada, you don't understand. Your lungs would choke on the sweet, supple air of liberty.

Queue the gun control discussion.
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You're one of those "an armed society is a polite society" boneheads huh?
I like things that go "pew pew pew" and "bang bang bang"
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I like things that go "pew pew pew" and "bang bang bang"
Cool story bro, I like guns too, but I'm not stupid enough to try and justify muh freedums with firearms based on a stabbing incident in another country.
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Yes, Japan has much less violence than the US. Britain has more violence than the US per 100k and they don't have guns. As someone from Canada, you don't understand. Your lungs would choke on the sweet, supple air of liberty.

Queue the gun control discussion.
Yeah, I have always wanted some liberty up here in Canada. I'm really jealous of the liberty you have that I don't

P.S. The UK's murder rate is around 11.6 per 100,000. Yep, that's pretty close to the 44 per 100,000 in the US Maybe the UK has more violence... it's fights at the local Pub on Saturday nights when Joey punches Billy in the head for spilling a pint on his girl.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...me/Murder-rate

Like I said, not arguing gun control... just helping you with your reasoning

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Yeah, I have always wanted some liberty up here in Canada. I'm really jealous of the liberty you have that I don't

P.S. The UK's murder rate is around 722 per 100,000. Yep, that's pretty close to the 12,900 per 100,000 in the US Maybe the UK has more violence... it's fights at the local Pub on Saturday nights when Joey punches Billy in the head for spilling a pint on his girl.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...me/Murder-rate

Like I said, not arguing gun control... just helping you with your reasoning
You should probably learn to read a chart. The US per capita murder rate is 42.01. Still higher than the US, but not quite so bad. Also, he was comparing violence rate, which is different than murder rates.
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You should probably learn to read a chart. The US per capita murder rate is 42.01. Still higher than the US, but not quite so bad. Also, he was comparing violence rate, which is different than murder rates.
You are correct I had the wrong column ticked when I looked at it. Still 2 to 4 times higher than other western countries but I did quote the wrong number

I also understand he mentioned violence... which is why I commented about pub fights

Back to the original point... it's not a gun debate, it's his logic relative to a single knife incident in a very peaceful country and how it correlates (or NOT) to gun control
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On another note, how long until ISIS claims responsibility for this?
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What a coward this man was.. disabled folks?
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What?? I'm not debating gun control laws here (cause that's a lose/lose proposition ) but what you said above makes NO sense.

The murder rate is WAY lower in Japan than the US. As a matter of fact, there are few modern, non-third world countries where the murder rate is as high as the US. The US is 12,900 murders per 100,000 people and Japan (with strict gun laws) is around 500. Yep, gun control played no part

How you can possibly point to a single mass murder in Japan with a knife as evidence that gun control doesn't work is a bit nuts There are VERY few murders in Japan and VERY few mass murders... many would suggest because of gun control. Now, compare that to the US where a mass murder is almost a weekly event.

Regardless, I'm not debating gun laws but I am suggesting your logic is a tad flawed.
Uh check your numbers 13 percent of population in usa doesn't get murdered. My numbers show 100 percent of Internet statisticians have brain damage.

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Sometimes when I read this forum I think that the one thing americans fear more than terrorism is a gun control law....
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Knife attack = gun control....wait whuh
You people...are way too bored.
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Sounds like it isnt a "Terrorist" attack and is just the work of a single crazy man, but cmon.
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?

Disabled people are terrorized for being disabled, no? Regarding recent events, I'm curious to hear if you think the attacker is/was a terrorist and/or a crazy man, as well as your reasoning behind it.
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I was very surprised to see this happen in Japan of all places, I feel like they have their shit together over there. The dude went into a disabled home and just started stabbing people....WTF.

Japan has some of the strictest gun laws. We have seen so many examples recently as to why gun control doesn't work.
Doesn't the first half of your comment contradict your second? If a place has their shit together and is considered safe overall, wouldn't that indicate that gun control does work?

Not that I have an opinion on it either way since I don't care much about Japan's murder rates or anything to look into it, just thought your comment was odd from a logical POV.
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