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      07-07-2016, 12:44 PM   #1
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Fucking coward shot a compliant man with a legally-carried and holstered firearm.

Where's the NRA on this one?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/07...man-child.html
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From the looks of it, i have to agree with you

With that being said, though, i still think there are a ton of unknowns and i dont want to jump to conclusions. Regardless of whether or not he told the officer he had a gun (as a legal owner), he needs to be very careful right after that and listen to directions carefully. Typically officers will ask you to step out of the car and will disarm you prior to anything else. If he was reaching for his wallet, then it just doesnt seem right. Obviously, no justification to kill the guy, but again, we're missing some key components of this case
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OP, got some discussion on that here: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1281627
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Fucking coward shot a compliant man with a legally-carried and holstered firearm.

Where's the NRA on this one?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/07...man-child.html
How sure are we that he was compliant.

"The officer tells her to keep her hands up and says: "I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand out.""

Quoting the article... I don't know whether he was compliant or not. You just made a statement of fact and I wonder if you know?
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OP, got some discussion on that here: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1281627
Yeah, equally as appalling.

Privileged white America is running out of excuses.
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From the looks of it, i have to agree with you

With that being said, though, i still think there are a ton of unknowns and i dont want to jump to conclusions. Regardless of whether or not he told the officer he had a gun (as a legal owner), he needs to be very careful right after that and listen to directions carefully. Typically officers will ask you to step out of the car and will disarm you prior to anything else. If he was reaching for his wallet, then it just doesnt seem right. Obviously, no justification to kill the guy, but again, we're missing some key components of this case
I have been stopped a few times, what you said never happens. I usually inform them im carrying out of courtesy and I have never been asked to give away my firearm. In fact I would probably think something is wrong and ask the officer to call for his supervisor if that was the case.

As far as the NRA, it's usually a good idea to withhold judgement until you can make a good call.
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Absolutely disgusting.

If we want these senseless White on Black murders to change, Blacks must change THEIR culture. Think about this: Black Americans are 12.61% of the total US population, yet they commit 33% of all rapes, 34% of all assaults, 55% of all robberies, and 50% of all murders. 91% of all murdered Black Americans are murdered by other Blacks Americans (source: 2012 U.S. Census & FBI Crime Stats). Yes, not all Black Americans are criminals. However, the common stereotype is that they are. Stereotypes typically have some level of truth behind them. Just look at the stats above and judge for yourself where the stereotype, "all Blacks are criminals", derives from.

It is up to the Black community to change their culture and stereotypes, by reducing Black crime. Change comes from within the source, not outside the source. Assume all Americans are stupid and will follow stereotypes (biological tendency -- can't change that; can reduce, however) and change accordingly. Until then, stupid, trigger-happy jackass cops will continue to murder Blacks immediately upon sight.

RIP Philando Castile.
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Absolutely disgusting.

If we want these senseless White on Black murders to change, Blacks change THEIR culture. Think about this: Black Americans are 12.61% of the total US population, yet they commit 33% of all rapes, 34% of all assaults, 55% of all robberies, and 50% of all murders. 91% of all murdered Black Americans are murdered by other Blacks Americans (source: 2012 U.S. Census & FBI Crime Stats). Yes, not all Black Americans are criminals. However, the common stereotype is that they are. Stereotypes typically have some level of truth behind them. Just look at the stats above and judge for yourself where the stereotype, "all Blacks are criminals", derives from.

It is up to the Black community to change their culture and stereotypes, by reducing Black crime. Change comes from within the source, not outside the source. Until then, stupid, trigger-happy jackass cops will continue to murder Blacks immediately upon sight.

RIP Philando Castile
Basically what I said in the other thread. It is absolutely an internal, cultural problem. Unfortunately, these situations serve to drive the wedge between reason and reactivity deeper into the ground.


Stereotypes exist because they are given fuel by the targeted demographic.
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I have been stopped a few times, what you said never happens. I usually inform them im carrying out of courtesy and I have never been asked to give away my firearm. In fact I would probably think something is wrong and ask the officer to call for his supervisor if that was the case.

As far as the NRA, it's usually a good idea to withhold judgement until you can make a good call.
agreed. common courtesy to do so and law in some states.

if people of any race complied with the order, most situations could be avoided.

wrongful accusations by PD can go to court...
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Basically what I said in the other thread. It is absolutely an internal, cultural problem. Unfortunately, these situations serve to drive the wedge between reason and reactivity deeper into the ground.


Stereotypes exist because they are given fuel by the targeted demographic.
The greater issue is poverty and education that lead to this cultural problem.
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The greater issue is poverty and education that lead to this cultural problem.
I'm not sure if it is a greater issue, but it is certainly one of the main ones.
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Absolutely disgusting.

If we want these senseless White on Black murders to change, Blacks must change THEIR culture. Think about this: Black Americans are 12.61% of the total US population, yet they commit 33% of all rapes, 34% of all assaults, 55% of all robberies, and 50% of all murders. 91% of all murdered Black Americans are murdered by other Blacks Americans (source: 2012 U.S. Census & FBI Crime Stats). Yes, not all Black Americans are criminals. However, the common stereotype is that they are. Stereotypes typically have some level of truth behind them. Just look at the stats above and judge for yourself where the stereotype, "all Blacks are criminals", derives from.

It is up to the Black community to change their culture and stereotypes, by reducing Black crime. Change comes from within the source, not outside the source. Assume all Americans are stupid and will follow stereotypes (biological tendency -- can't change that; can reduce, however) and change accordingly. Until then, stupid, trigger-happy jackass cops will continue to murder Blacks immediately upon sight.

RIP Philando Castile.
Correct. Cultural change is needed. Perhaps, in this case, the cowardly officer who shot a seated man with no criminal record whatsoever should be re-trained.
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There's gotta be more to this story.
There always is.

But leave it to the emotional hot heads to fill in the blanks for now.
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Some times things are exactly as they appear to be. It will be interesting to see how this and other recent cases unfold. Video changes things. How many times has the story only been one sided since the other side is dead? Law enforcement needs to take a more serious role in self policing themselves. And I also think when an officer kills someone, shoots someone, or is accused of a crime of any type, the people investigating the incident should be as unbiased as possible.
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Some times things are exactly as they appear to be. It will be interesting to see how this and other recent cases unfold. Video changes things. How many times has the story only been one sided since the other side is dead? Law enforcement needs to take a more serious role in self policing themselves. And I also think when an officer kills someone, shoots someone, or is accused of a crime of any type, the people investigating the incident should be as unbiased as possible.
This is ideal, obviously. Is it done? Can't speak on that, either.
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Absolutely disgusting.

If we want these senseless White on Black murders to change, Blacks must change THEIR culture. Think about this: Black Americans are 12.61% of the total US population, yet they commit 33% of all rapes, 34% of all assaults, 55% of all robberies, and 50% of all murders. 91% of all murdered Black Americans are murdered by other Blacks Americans (source: 2012 U.S. Census & FBI Crime Stats). Yes, not all Black Americans are criminals. However, the common stereotype is that they are. Stereotypes typically have some level of truth behind them. Just look at the stats above and judge for yourself where the stereotype, "all Blacks are criminals", derives from.

It is up to the Black community to change their culture and stereotypes, by reducing Black crime. Change comes from within the source, not outside the source. Assume all Americans are stupid and will follow stereotypes (biological tendency -- can't change that; can reduce, however) and change accordingly. Until then, stupid, trigger-happy jackass cops will continue to murder Blacks immediately upon sight.

RIP Philando Castile.
I totally understand what you are saying and where you are coming from but you are missing the even bigger picture. Our culture is the way it is due to systematic and blatant oppression. In a majority sense, we are not given the same chance or opportunities as our counterparts. We also receive no real tangible help given our situations. And No, I am not talking about government assistance with no feedback or follow up. There is white on white...asian on asian...hispanic on hispanic crime everywhere but we are the mascots because of how history painted us. False history at that.


Another thing.... when a black man shoots a black man...he is thrown under the jail. But in situations like this....the officer becomes rich (go fundme and a hero). So please...stop using black on black crime as an excuse. We know it exists and its a problem but we also pay for those mistakes. These rogue self entitled officers DO NOT.

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FUK THE POLICE. Time to start shooting back
Agreed. Enough is enough. Nothing else seems to work. The justice system is failing on behalf of blacks miserably.
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I see you are vying to be the next Darwinian candidate. Good job. Perhaps your decision to shuffle off this mortal coil will even make the news.
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I see you are vying to be the next Darwinian candidate. Good job. Perhaps your decision to shuffle off this mortal coil will even make the news.
Not going to lie, this made me laugh pretty hard.
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I totally understand what you are saying and where you are coming from but you are missing the even bigger picture. Our culture is the way it is due to systematic and blatant oppression. In a majority sense, we are not given the same chance or opportunities as our counterparts. We also receive no real tangible help given our situations. And No, I am not talking about government assistance with no feedback or follow up. There is white on white...asian on asian...hispanic on hispanic crime everywhere but we are the mascots because of how history painted us. False history at that.


Another thing.... when a black man shoots a black man...he is thrown under the jail. But in situations like this....the officer becomes rich (go fundme and a hero). So please...stop using black on black crime as an excuse. We know it exists and its a problem but we also pay for those mistakes. These rogue self entitled officers DO NOT.

I feel like this statement is basically a reflection of how our society has become sadly. It's always someone else's fault. Always some excuse. Never "my" fault. Never would have seen this a few generations ago and that makes me question how far we'll deteriorate - will we ever start accepting responsibility for ourselves and changing ourselves?
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