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      05-27-2016, 09:21 AM   #45
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I don't recall contradicting the theory of evolution? But it is a theory that continues to evolve - it's clearly not "settled science.."
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I don't recall contradicting the theory of evolution? But it is a theory that continues to evolve - it's clearly not "settled science.."
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      05-27-2016, 09:42 AM   #47
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I can envision all you conservatives checking your "facts" on some right wing website. I'll bet I can find one that states emphatically that elephants are pink. Do you remember glasnost and perestroika? Gorbachev's refusal to react to Poland, Romania, and Yugoslavia's leaving the Soviet Union ended the cold war. Not "Ronnie's" standing in front of the Berlin Wall thinking that he was in another B rated movie from the 50's. We can thank him for ending institutional care for the mentally ill, forcing thousands into homelessness, in addition to deficits approaching $300 trillion. Clinton's first budget, which proposed tax increases on the top 10% and modest cuts began lowering the debt before the end of his second year in office. By his second term we had surpluses thanks to the "dot com bubble". You're right, he doesn't get credit for that but neither do Reagan or Bush 1, shit just happens. By the way, the surplus would have been greater if Newt and the Republican congress hadn't spent 60 mil to investigate a blowjob. I know, I know, the sanctity of the oval office. Tell me that you're not so niave that you think that Republicans never got them in the White House.
"All you conservatives"? You sound like a real knee jerk liberal who needs a "safe place" to not hear views which don't agree with yours.

And as a little sidenote.....your boy Obama, in Hiroshima, stated that he wants to see an end to nuclear arms (much like Reagan), but has done nothing (and I mean NOTHING) to reduce the world stockpile. Russia is even fielding new ballistic missiles and new subs to fire them.
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I've got no piss left for this contest boys. You're obviously too smart for me, being a knee jeck liberal and all.
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"All you conservatives"? You sound like a real knee jerk liberal who needs a "safe place" to not hear views which don't agree with yours.

And as a little sidenote.....your boy Obama, in Hiroshima, stated that he wants to see an end to nuclear arms (much like Reagan), but has done nothing (and I mean NOTHING) to reduce the world stockpile. Russia is even fielding new ballistic missiles and new subs to fire them.
Don't forget the "legacy building" Iran cluster f that has been shown to be manipulation from the get go.

Counting the days for his ass to gtfo.
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"All you conservatives"? You sound like a real knee jerk liberal who needs a "safe place" to not hear views which don't agree with yours.

And as a little sidenote.....your boy Obama, in Hiroshima, stated that he wants to see an end to nuclear arms (much like Reagan), but has done nothing (and I mean NOTHING) to reduce the world stockpile. Russia is even fielding new ballistic missiles and new subs to fire them.
"no more nukes!"

"hey ayatollah, want some nukes?"
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And as a little sidenote.....your boy Obama, in Hiroshima, stated that he wants to see an end to nuclear arms (much like Reagan), but has done nothing (and I mean NOTHING) to reduce the world stockpile. Russia is even fielding new ballistic missiles and new subs to fire them.
They're doing it because we're doing it too.
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They're doing it because we're doing it too.
No, we are not. We decommissioned the MX many years ago, and the Minuteman is our only land based missle, and its not mirved anymore, per the START treaty. Our SLBM is still the Trident, and still over 20 years old.
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Yes we are.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-begin-1-...rsenal-1474990
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hhmmmmmm........I guess if its on the internet, it must be true....especially if the Indian Defense Research & Development Organization says its true. And.....not one specific item was mentioned. Research your answer more carefully next time. Don't go off all Trump like that......


ps....it may be true that we spend billions of dollars maintaining our stockpile. That would be about right.
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They're doing it because we're doing it too.
And check out the big Michael Moore advertisement on that same page. You will not find a more untruthful film maker than that anti-american jerk. The whole article you posted was bogus......
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hhmmmmmm........I guess if its on the internet, it must be true....especially if the Indian Defense Research & Development Organization says its true. And.....not one specific item was mentioned. Research your answer more carefully next time. Don't go off all Trump like that......


ps....it may be true that we spend billions of dollars maintaining our stockpile. That would be about right.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/sc...hina.html?_r=0
https://fas.org/blogs/security/2016/...justification/

Letters from Senators urging Obama to reconsider:
http://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/med...ar-Missile.pdf

CBO's estimate of the costs of modernize our nuclear arsenal:
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...learForces.pdf

Press release from the Pentagon discussing their FY 2017 budget:
http://www.defense.gov/News/News-Rel...Article/652687

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We are countering Russia’s aggressive policies through investments in a broad range of capabilities. The FY 2017 budget request will allow us to modify and expand air defense systems, develop new unmanned systems, design a new long-range bomber and a new long-range stand-off cruise missile, and modernize our nuclear arsenal.
Still wanna call it bogus?

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      06-09-2016, 03:16 PM   #57
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/sc...hina.html?_r=0
https://fas.org/blogs/security/2016/...justification/

Letters from Senators urging Obama to reconsider:
http://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/med...ar-Missile.pdf

CBO's estimate of the costs of modernize our nuclear arsenal:
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...learForces.pdf

Press release from the Pentagon discussing their FY 2017 budget:
http://www.defense.gov/News/News-Rel...Article/652687



Still wanna call it bogus?
YES!

Your first and last articles provide no (0) proof that america is building new missiles (ballistic) or subs to fire them (though we do need a replacement for the Ohio class, as they are nearing the end of their operational lifetimes). The letter form america's leading leftist senators talks about a cruise missile. The third article talks about refurbishing our nuclear stockpile. That was a lot to read. And.....my original statement stands...Russia is building new missiles (land and sea based) and subs to fire them (at least the slbm's). We are not. While our nuclear bombs need to be replaced, nowhere in your presented articles does it talk about new american ballistic missiles.
Find some articles about the American nuclear build up, and find one that talks about the new ballistic missiles.
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YES!

Your first and last articles provide no (0) proof that america is building new missiles (ballistic) or subs to fire them (though we do need a replacement for the Ohio class, as they are nearing the end of their operational lifetimes). The letter form america's leading leftist senators talks about a cruise missile. The third article talks about refurbishing our nuclear stockpile. That was a lot to read. And.....my original statement stands...Russia is building new missiles (land and sea based) and subs to fire them (at least the slbm's). We are not. While our nuclear bombs need to be replaced, nowhere in your presented articles does it talk about new american ballistic missiles.
Find some articles about the American nuclear build up, and find one that talks about the new ballistic missiles.
Sure
https://www.armscontrol.org/factshee...rModernization

And they're not building new ones per se, just upgrading existing ones to prolong their useful life.

And we are getting a replacement for the Ohio class, the SSBN[X]
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Sure
https://www.armscontrol.org/factshee...rModernization

And they're not building new ones per se, just upgrading existing ones to prolong their useful life.

And we are getting a replacement for the Ohio class, the SSBN[X]
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839

Here's what we are modernizing. In the future, please use mainstream news services to prove your points. I prefer BBC, AP, WSJ, & CNN. Sometimes I will look at a NYT article, but they are usually skewered to the left. Anytime an obscure site is used, you have to wonder about bias. That one that Doc Oc put up was laughable.

And I would certainly vote for Mark Cuban over Hillary or Trump
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839

Here's what we are modernizing. In the future, please use mainstream news services to prove your points. I prefer BBC, AP, WSJ, & CNN. Sometimes I will look at a NYT article, but they are usually skewered to the left. Anytime an obscure site is used, you have to wonder about bias. That one that Doc Oc put up was laughable.

And I would certainly vote for Mark Cuban over Hillary or Trump
Some non-profits aren't bad, the article I have is a good one as it's quoting the budget directly and provides sources at the bottom.

I mean these items are in the budget so take them as you will.

They're definitely replacing the Ohio class subs and making updates to existing long range missiles. Whether or not you want to believe that is up to you.
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Some non-profits aren't bad, the article I have is a good one as it's quoting the budget directly and provides sources at the bottom.

I mean these items are in the budget so take them as you will.

They're definitely replacing the Ohio class subs and making updates to existing long range missiles. Whether or not you want to believe that is up to you.
Are you saying that I can knock my ruby slippers together and go back to Kansas and believe what I want?

Updates to weapons aren't new offensive weapons my friend......

I stand by my original statement. And......why does Russia need to build new missiles and subs.....their GDP is on par with Italy, who hasn't been a menace since the sawdust caesar.
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Are you saying that I can knock my ruby slippers together and go back to Kansas and believe what I want?

Updates to weapons aren't new offensive weapons my friend......

I stand by my original statement. And......why does Russia need to build new missiles and subs.....their GDP is on par with Italy, who hasn't been a menace since the sawdust caesar.
What would you consider the SSBN[X] then?
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hhmmmmmm........I guess if its on the internet, it must be true....especially if the Indian Defense Research & Development Organization says its true. And.....not one specific item was mentioned. Research your answer more carefully next time. Don't go off all Trump like that......


ps....it may be true that we spend billions of dollars maintaining our stockpile. That would be about right.
So it's internet lies when you don't agree? There are hundreds of articles about our trillion dollar 30 year plan to upgrade our arsenal...pick one that works for you, but don't give me that shit that your links are good and ours are lefty crap.
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And check out the big Michael Moore advertisement on that same page. You will not find a more untruthful film maker than that anti-american jerk. The whole article you posted was bogus......
Not a fan of MM, but he does (or did) offer up a very fat cash reward to anyone that could prove anything he said about GWB to be untrue. Take him up on it.
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